ryu is just solid he has decent zoning, decent footsies and pokes. He isn’t very spectacular at anything, I also feel that his footsies are overrated especially when you compare it to ken like what Darth said. A lot of the top tiers can compete and even beat him in footsies if they just play it properly by staying out of his c.mk range.
Ryu has everything he needs to win. There is not a single version of SF that anybody can say he wasn’t capable of winning a tournament. Some versions are better than others, but he’s always had tools to win. In this game, he’s a solid upper mid. I’m a Honda player, so I naturally bitch about all FB chars haha
To Darth,
Rofl i think that’s pretty much where i’m at, I suck but i know i suck and want to improve and help others improve. I spend time in the training room, and getting experience in games. I’m constantly practicing setups, trying out things ingame, practicing deep DP, practicing autocorrect DP, practicing footsies, WORKING ON SPACING NOW. Compared to others i feel that i deserve my wins, when i win. Most players counterpick my Ryu after originally losing, WHAT THE CRAP??
A good challenge is to chuck on random select, and start playing endless. Thanks for the idea Darth, still haven’t tried Random select ranked though!! I found that players who originally could beat me with characters couldn’t outspace, couldn’t outfootsie or do half the things i was trying to do with Ryu, on a fundamental level they weren’t that great, but this game continues to encourage players to play sloppy. It’s a FATAL FLAW in balance but all i’m seeing is that CAPCOM wants money, wants a spectator sport not a balanced skill-based game. I can’t wait for the patch, but all i’m seeing is the $$$ that CAPCOM is making, and all i’m getting is the frustration of playing a cheese-tacular game online.
/end rant.
Fix the *** lag online and I would be happy.
Players who don’t use ryu will never understand our point of view. I agree with Darth but it’s still sad after so long since sf4 released that people think ryu is easy, very powerfull/overpowered, cheap, scrubby, etc. These people will never learn and that’s what makes them scrubs. I’ve seen so many arguments and been in regarding ryu’s status and most of the time you can’t get through to people. It’s not worth trying anymore, and all the scrubby ryus and kens online don’t help either but w/e lol
3rd Strike. Compared to c.MK xx Houyoku Sen, Genei Jin, Aegis Reflector, Shippu Jinrai Kyaku Ken, Makoto, and Dudley, I wouldn’t really call Ryu’s tools the tools to win in that game.
Ryu is like you guys said upper mid tier. He basically is just the jack of all trades good at everything but excels in none of it. So in all Ryu is only as good as his player let’s him to be. People just cry because he is OU and pretend like there any better by using a less used character.
Edit: Sorry if my meaning doesn’t come across I’m on my phone and trying to keep it short before it dies.
Ryu is very adaptable in 3s as well. Denjin for players who need to capitalize on momentum, shinku for footsies and combo damage, and shin shoryu for comebacks and intimidation. Ryu can plow through opponents off only a couple good reads.
That’s all well and good, and I know very well that Ryu is adaptable. But winning tournaments? No. I’m not talking casuals with your friends, 3S tourney scene boils down to 6 characters dominating, and Ryu isn’t one of them. (Yun, Chun, Ken, Makoto, Dudley, Urien).
If SSF4 had parries, Ryu’s tools wouldn’t be the tools that win in this game either.
i’m going to go out on a limb and say you’ve never played any actual 7-3 (vanilla sagat v honda / gief, rufus v makoto) or 8-2 (vanilla seth v gief, vanilla sagat v rose) matches in street fighter iv.
The question is actually stupid. Tier lists are based on characters played at their best/full potential. Daigo is just one of those who play Ryu like that.
Uhhhh… Id have to agree with Blackadde. Youre totally underestimating just how bad a 7-3, 8-2 match-up is. It basically feels like you have either the slightest glimmer of hope, should some divine being intervene, or that you are simply screwed no matter what. Sim/Ryu is in sims favor IMO but it certainly isnt by much. Id say its 5.5.-4.5
if you guys consider daigo to be top ryu, then why wouldnt it be 7-3 in sim’s favor. daigo lost the first 10 games against mochi -> 7-3.
i think daigo obviously feels this matchup is more than 5.5 considering he counterpicked against ryan hart’s sim (ryan hart doesnt even main sim).
if it’s only 5.5 and guile vs ryu is widely considered 6-4 why isnt someone of daigo’s caliber counter picking guile?
also, for people who say the tier list is based on top level play -> who else are they judging the list on besides daigo for ssf4? i havent seen any other players even close to his level in this version of the game.
my point was, if daigo wasnt playing as ryu, who would you have to judge this “top level” play? alex valle? where would ryu fall? i think ryu would fall deep in the middle of the pack if daigo didnt play him.
a single FT10 is not a perfect indication of a character’s ability. daigo can lose. it happens. didn’t he beat mago badly in a series of concept matches in vanilla? would you say that ryu dominated sagat in that game?
seriously, go play some genuine 7-3 matches and get back to me. they feel like the only way you can win is if your opponent makes a series of mistakes and you capitalize perfectly.
^ This… honestly, the mere idea of Ryu / Sim being 7-3 is a joke, a really bad joke. Ryu has the toold to beat sim. Sim has something of an advantage but it reall isnt anywhere near bad enough to be 7-3. And you cant just pick one example of Daigo losing 7-3 to mean everything. Thats absurd.
i am saying that he lost to mochi, should have lost to sabin, lost to ryan hart -> and ended up counter picking against ryan. he even used cammy in a finals because he felt that the matchup is that unbalanced. why is it a bad joke? you stating that sim vs ryu is even or maybe 5.5 seems like a joke to me.
you say i am not picking examples?, but i dont know what you guys are going on? what matches are you picking that show this match as being even?
ryu vs thawk is considered a 7-3 matchup, but i find it easier to beat ryu with thawk than for ryu to beat sim. if you want to say sim vs ryu is 6-4, that could work. but even or 5.5?
can someone post some replays of top ryu’s beating sims? how many matches has sabin lost vs ryu players in tournaments?
Daigo also counterpicked againt Ryan’s Ryu. Does that mean Ryu / Ryu is 7-3?
maybe it could conceivably be 6-4, any worse than that and youre really just finding excuses for a match I presume you arent great at. You say Daigo should have lost to Sabin. Why should he? Just cause it agrees with your argument? Seriously, taking the SVB anomoly out of the equation (and the fact of the matter is that he simply didnt play great there) then there are seriously few reasons for you to think its a sodding 7-3…
anyway bored now. Argument is dumb. Go play an actual 7-3 match and youll realise why.
he didnt counterpick against ryan’s ryu. why are you saying that? he thought ryan was going to pick sim…
did you see the match vs sabin? if you did, then you will see that sabin shot himself in the foot -> over and over again. he had many many chances to win.
i am posting matches that i have seen, with the best ryu getting beat up badly by sim players. what matches are you talking about that have this match as even?
what 7-3 matches are you talking about? i tried t-hawk vs ryu. is that not a “real” one?
you stated it’s 5-5 or at most 4.5-5.5. why? you dont need to get pissed because i dont see it, just post your reason - match results, replays, strats, etc…
considering daigo is the best ryu, my whole point it that the only reason i think the ryu vs sim is 6-4 is because daigo uses ryu. i think the majority of players have even more trouble with this matchup. not to mention other matchups, which i listed in the first post.
maybe you could show some replays of how to even out the sim matchup?
The reason I personally feel that Ryu / Sim is not too bad (ie 6-4 or 5.5-4.5) is because of my own experience as well as theory. Ryu has the tools to get in, especially compared to some of the other cast member. And once Ryu is in he has more than enough tools to destory sim. with C.MP, SRK, full range FBs and FBs from 2.0 I just think Ryu has enough options to make this better than a 7-3. Daigo has also beaten a lot of Sims as well as losing to them. Did you not figure that Daigo is not indestrucible? Perhaps his opponents were doing something right. By saying they beat Daigo because the match is 7-3 youre kinda disrespecting their skill.
The only time I see a Sim / Ryu match that looks as bad as a 7-3 is when the Ryu is too desperate to get in. I usually find that so long as youre patient you can find a spot and once youre in its rape.