You guys need to pay attention a little better. You can use whatever super you want, no one gives a shit. But giving reasons you don’t use Denjin that are incorrect, and having someone correct them over and over, makes you a scrub. I don’t care about your preference, but saying shit like “SA1 DOES MORE DAMAGE DUDEZ COMPARED TO DENJIN WHICH IS LIKE A ROUNDHOUSE” is wrong and gay. So that’s how you get treated. That’s the actual def of a scrub: someone who can’t learn.
You can use SA1 all day, plenty of people do. But Mashfest, not ME, said that WHO uses the super is important. When I told you that it’s all the good US players who use Denjin, now I’m a scrub for caring, hahahaha.
And I know you don’t know shit about the Midwest or me, so don’t open that can of worms. How many top-5 major placings do you have? And your comp must be great if you don’t have know the Denjin works. Yeah I know. I travel and I get actual wins so that’s a dead end for you there.
I didn’t start this shit to be insulting, but you’re not worth the time having a normal discussion with when every reason people say the Denjin is powerful you don’t buy it.
And like nothingxs said, you can still use Denjin with EX since the bar is so small, which is true. I’m still an EX whore and I almost always use Denjin. Against Yun it’s probably the choice super because basically a Denjin trap on Yun and he’s dead, and he can’t get out of a setup as easily as Yang.
Here’s a situation: Someone is posting in the Ken thread about how the Shippu is overrated, and people list, for the 10000th time, why the Shippu is one of the game’s best supers. And they keep saying, “Well mine does more damage and still combos offa lots of things and tons of people use it on ScrubBox Live.” At what point is the conversation fruitless That’s how it feels like posting in here when someone comes in from left field saying “DENJINS NOT THAT GOOD.” You lead them to water all day but they won’t take a drink.
Cos all these national Ryus are running around with SA1. That’s what happens – things change. Has SA1 Ryu EVER won anything in the US? At least Denjin gets represented and has won a recent major.
Your entire argument so far has been “I don leik itt,” excellent.
Just come to Evo, because I know you don’t travel to other majors with your hot Super Turbo super combos, and I’ll show you how to use Denjin Ryu in a money match. Some people have to learn the hard way.
Yep, gotta say, Denjin is very good, I didn’t like Denjin at first and played with SAI, but the more I played, I decided to use Denjin, and my whole thought of Ryu changes, people change the way they play you when they see that your SAIII is fully stocked, they try to avoid the corner like it’s rabies, fearfactor is something that Denjin has and something that Shinku doesn’t have, which is what I like.
Also, nobody is parry perfect, and reasons why Denjin is still very effective, and umm…I have to say that I chose Denjin not because of Frankie3S or Valle, and yes, I was living in the dirt because I didn’t pay too much attention about the 3S Ryu players until recently as in like a year ago, so I’m not a bandwagoner, I chose Denjin because I prefer it’s style of play, I have nothing against Ryu/SAI users because it’s all on your personal taste on what you like. Also, that comment on Ruu, I think that’s alittle out of the question as 3S’s competetion in Japan is still umm…far better than the US, it’d be equivelant to me comparing Japan players if they came here to face the US in MvC2.
To whomever posted though, thanks for the tips on beating up on Yang, I learned some new things, and I kept on letting Yang jump towards me, which I probably shouldn’t have, good stuff, and keep em comming.
If you come up w/ new shit vs. the twins, feel free to post more stuff, sounds like you actually have a good Yang to play often – they’re a tough fight for Ryu, esp Yun, but some a few tactics are transferable btw them (e.g. taking away their air game). I only played one really good Yang ever (Flash G beating me up in casuals at FR8 in like 30 sec) so I’d def like to learn more about beating that bastard.
Twelve is awesome; it takes a lot of patience and planning to win with him. Ryu with his big thix is just too awesome.
Speaking of “x-copying” styles, I think a lot of people are too worried about innovating with “play styles”. For instance, I think it can be agreed that people who pick other super arts with Yun are simply trying to escape the status quo. What’s wrong with using what’s effective? Sure, you’ll be the talk of the town if you come out of the barn with an awesome Tensei Ranka Chun, but until that time, people are going to use what works to win. No one is complaining that Pyrolee basically uses KO’s style of play(was taught by him a bit), or that Ricky Ortiz uses SA3 Ken, the most common character/SA combo in the game. In the end, your “new innovative style” is going to end up either a gimmick, or a backbone in the game. The real players will then take it to the next level. In the end, no one cares if you “x-copied” a style; if you win, you win. Dead simple.
^^ You realize that denjin was in the same situation less than two yrs ago right? I think since the ranbats have came out youve seen a lot more copycat players because socal is supposed to be the best. And most people I guess like to play like there hero’s so instead of thinking for themselves theyd rather play like someone else. If you seriously think denjin is more effective than shinku thats up to you.
pfft. I figured out that denijin strategy out all on my own. I was doing that shit months before I saw frankie 3s doing it. His strategy was further than mine. Which probably means he was playing it before I was but we still had the same concept. As soon as I learned he was from socal, I knew they were going to get the credit for it.
It’s cool if you invent your own style, but who cares? This game is, what, six or so years old? People on top kind of know what works by now.
If you’re smart you keep watching those ranbats, note what works and what doesn’t, and adjust your personal style accordingly. If you don’t see good people play or use established techniques, you’re just scrubbing around with locals, which is fine for some people. But if you want to be get anywhere on a regional level you have to pay attention to the community at large.
Sure, people were using those Denjin traps and stuff before Frankie made it famous or whatever. But he’s a national player, so of course people notice it then. It’s not about hero worship, it’s about taking your game deeper because someone showed what was possible.
Mashfest: I’m not starting a fight or anything, but what factors lead you to say SA1 is the most effective super? You mentioned EX for Yun and you don’t like Denjin and you don’t like “x-copying” tourney footage.
Dude you make it seem like im trying to say play sa3 Remy. SA1 has always been great. I dont see how im trying to make a name for my self by playing a super art that damn near every ryu player outside the recent surge of denjin users has made. Why dont you come to fairfield more? You and daniel are the only denjin players I get to play.
Um, good answer. The point is until now Ryu has done pretty much nothing in majors, and don’t bring up Japan again. Just because you say everyone used SA1 until recently is a poor argument as to say it’s “the best,” and maybe there’s a reason the top Ryu players switched perhaps and now Ryu has actually made an impact. Maybe if you knew how to effectively use both you’d understand, but you don’t sound like you have a very good understanding of how using the Denjin works in the first place.
That last comment was directed at A-rival. No disrespect but im pretty much done talking too you. Lets just agree to disagree on this. because this can go back and forth forever. I respect you for playing the character when there’s ken and akuma. Play him how you want.
Lol I could tell. Dude the whole thread hasn’t been back and forth at all, it’s been people saying “Here’s why Denjin is good: x and y and z” and you saying “nuh uh.” The whole time I was just trying to get a actual answer debate out of you and you’ve posted about 1 actual fact about Shinkuu vs Denjin. I didn’t mean to say SA1 is a bad super, but I honestly don’t understand why you’d use it for serious play anymore based on what people have done with the Denjin.
I’m currently starting use SA3 and I’m having problems using it against urien and Q. Anyone have good tips for these guys? I have no problems against them using SA1 but with SA3 it becomes more tricky and I love it!
There are other things, like Shinkuu reset juggle combos and cross under tricks, but those are the main reasons your using Shinkuu. Shinkuu bases itself around confirmed hits and controlling space. Which is why Japanese players prefer it. It’s a lot safer, and less about creating particular setup opportunities.
Denjin is a situational super, but it takes alot of presence of mind to manage your meter well and recognise good Denjin opportunities, as well as creating those opportunities in the first place(as well as recognising situations where Denjin is best saved till later). Against top tier play, I think it loses a little more ground since Ryu’s limitations are more magnified and top players are better at avoiding those denjin opportunities as well as escaping them.
Yeah, Denjin is pretty situational. I think the worst possible way to use it is the dragon punch cancel method. Anyone and thier mother can parry it. Against veteran players, i dont really think the Denjin looses any ground per say, because you could say that for anyones moves. A good players experience will teach him to avoid even the best setups (like Aegis Reflector and Geneijin setups).
You just have to be a little smarter about it. The bar charges fast, so dont be afraid to use an Ex-move or two. One of my favorite setups with the denjin is when you reset someone jumping in with a st.lp. Just throw a hadouken and charge your denjin on them. People usually panic when they see it charging in thier faces. Even if you just get two hits, it puts you closer to stunning them, which is the main goal of Denjin.
SA1 is a great super indeed. It allows for so much versatility it’s not even funny. SA1 lets Ryu show his versatility in lots of situations. I honestly think he should have had three SA1 bars While we’re at it, lets give him his two Denjin bars back, lol.
The main thing about the Denjin is that you have to use it when it’s needed, and not when it’s expected. In my experiences, if you have to think about trying to use the Denjin chances are your opponent is gonna parry it or escape it unless you get a nice setup (i.e. corner setup).
That’s how it feels like posting in here when someone comes in from left field saying “DENJINS NOT THAT GOOD.” You lead them to water all day but they won’t take a drink.