Ryu General Discussion Thread: Frame Data, Strategies, Combos, etc

Scourge · October 26, 2009, 2:05pm

Golden_Gunman:

Thanks for the reply.

Your method is what I do usually anyway. However, I swear this isn’t the way Daigo does it. Perhaps he is just double / triple tapping to make sure the DP comes out on the frame the cr.MK finishes, but it really does seem as if he is option selecting the cr.MK somehow to cover his bases.

There are many occasions when I have seen Ryu players try to anti air DP from a cr.MK position but the DP does not come out in time. But with Daigo, it always comes out in time. And I’m not convinced that it’s only his spacing that allows this.

Thinking about it, perhaps he is doing the DP without pressing Towards, but just using Down-Towards instead. As your hit box is a lot smaller when DP-ing from a crouching position, perhaps this is why his DP always hits… Thinking about it, that probably is the most likely way he does it as adding that method with double tapping is going to get it out fast and keeps the hit box small.

this is on topic:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7736850&postcount=199

@vandutch:
Nice find. Already applied it a few times in battle. Works like a charm.

Golden_Gunman · October 26, 2009, 3:53pm

Thanks Scourge.

Wantonx · October 26, 2009, 4:07pm

I didn’t know what vandutch was talking about was new info.I thought it was just really hard so no one did it often lol. Good find on the standing mk making it work across the board though, I had no idea about that

Scourge · October 26, 2009, 4:17pm

Vanilla point blank EX FBs are not only hard to link into ultra, but also not practical at all, because a situation to use them never occurs. That’s why noone used that link.

This one on the other hand is totally practical, on top of easing the link.
For example, people do safe j.HPs all the time, so j.HP, st. MK xx EX FB, link ultra is much more useful in a match. The only downside (well, nothing is free) is you need to commit to the EX FB even on block (can’t fall back to canceling into a normal FB, cause it’s punishable from up close).

vandutch · October 26, 2009, 11:42pm

Thanks man I’m glad I could put in my 2 cents to ad to the ryu playing community.

LB · October 27, 2009, 3:07am

yeah imma use it more now too.

one string i do often is c.jab, s.mk. it beats throw-techs and random jabbers *cough boxers *cough

now that i don’t need 50% for fireball fadc, i’ll use that more often in midscreen situation to connect to ultra.

gotta practice timing. good find! btw, neutral jump strong is hella sexy.

vandutch · October 27, 2009, 5:14am

Thanks

DarthPaul1982 · October 27, 2009, 9:33am

k… so I dunno if this is news to everyone or not, but I just realised that you can link normals to EX FB andultra without bar. So far ive doneit with s.mk, s.mp, c.lp,c.lk and s.lp… spacing is tight, but with the hit confirm and no bar it seems like a pretty cool trick.

System_1 · October 27, 2009, 10:32am

Wassup? Newbie here lol I think I found a glitch not sure I was trying out a combo ending with lk tatsu it was j. fk cr. mk lk tatsu and most of the time it ends with mk tatsu and im like wtf cause I know im not pushing the same button twice so I tested it out on its own I held down to crouch and hit mk and immediatly did the tatsu motion without hitting mk again and it did the hurricane kick o.O cr. mk and mk tatsu with one button press glitch maybe?

Dannkk · October 27, 2009, 11:28am

Its not a glitch, it’s called negative edge. To do a special, you can either push the button down to get the move, or have it held down and let it go to do the move. So, you’re doing c.mk, then the qcb and letting go of mk.

System_1 · October 27, 2009, 6:38pm

Ah I see I heard of negative edge but never knew what it mean until now lol thanks man

Shin_Arnoldo · October 27, 2009, 7:23pm

no bar? but ex takes out 1 bar

DarthPaul1982 · October 27, 2009, 7:32pm

oh yeah…lol… no need to FADC I mean.

Kaiden · October 28, 2009, 9:55pm

It really hard to do link the ultra from the ex fb though, thats why the only time you generally see it is when the opponet is in the corner cause the timing isnt as strict, ie ex fb -> ultra through sagat’s fb. The corner prevents the opponet from flying too far back.

You can do it mid screen I’ve done it a few time, but I find it incredibly situational, and your timing and spacing has to be perfect espeically if you are going to link the ex fb from a normal.

It’s nice to know you can link ex fb into ultra from midscreen with one bar, but that situation is so rare to me, usually I find myself with at least 2 bars whenever I have ultra. Even without bar, ryu can still land ultra from a lot of things.

It’s pretty to see, but I think the FADC’d ex fb offers some extra support and confimability.

I f you could find out all the distances and be able to do it on reaction, it would be a great tool for hitting the ultra, but then you have to worry about damage scaling.

Hiryu02 · October 28, 2009, 10:03pm

I have to say though, it’s still a great new tool. I took out a Sagat last night who thought he had the match won when he got me in the corner. That sps>mk>EX fb Ultra saved my ass. I bet he had no idea Ryu could combo into the Ultra with only one bar out of the corner. All it took was one whiffed TU to lose him the match.

Sure it’s situational, but what combo into ultra isn’t situational in some way?

Thanks again for posting that combo, your contribution is highly appreciated. Maybe we could call it the “vandutch”? As in, “I totally vandutched that guy when he threw out that random ultra!” Heheh.

vandutch · October 28, 2009, 10:10pm

Kaiden:

It really hard to do link the ultra from the ex fb though, thats why the only time you generally see it is when the opponet is in the corner cause the timing isnt as strict, ie ex fb -> ultra through sagat’s fb. The corner prevents the opponet from flying too far back.

You can do it mid screen I’ve done it a few time, but I find it incredibly situational, and your timing and spacing has to be perfect espeically if you are going to link the ex fb from a normal.

It’s nice to know you can link ex fb into ultra from midscreen with one bar, but that situation is so rare to me, usually I find myself with at least 2 bars whenever I have ultra. Even without bar, ryu can still land ultra from a lot of things.

It’s pretty to see, but I think the FADC’d ex fb offers some extra support and confimability.

I f you could find out all the distances and be able to do it on reaction, it would be a great tool for hitting the ultra, but then you have to worry about damage scaling.

I agree Its not the be all end all, but its all about the options.

It lands as long as close mk hits

DarthPaul1982 · October 29, 2009, 1:00am

or c.mp, or c.lp, or s.lp, or s.mp, or c.lk… anyone tried s.FP? I cant remember if I tried it or not. I know c.fp doesnt work though.

vandutch · October 29, 2009, 5:57am

lol that be mad cool

System_1 · October 29, 2009, 4:53pm

There is no such thing as ‘auto-correct Dragon Punch’.

The DP will always go towards your opponent when you hit the punch button, regardsless of which direction you input.

Think of a DP as towards, down, down-towards. If your opponent is crossing you up from the left and you input left, down, down left and then hit the punch button after they cross over your centre line the DP will still go to the right. Or you could do left, down [they corss over] then right+P it’ll come out to the right still because you satisfied the ‘towards, down, down-towards’. Make sense?

Rsnake91 · October 30, 2009, 1:37am

in SF4 there is a auto correct lol, if you input the command at right time the game will automatically correct you to the right direction the opponent is goin.