I think it’s a bit too easy too say all of Ryu’s tools are too good when you have a masterful player like Daigo pushing a character to it’s limits and then everybody just copies what he does. There are plenty of characters that NOBODY is fully exploring. It’s easy to say Ryu has perfect answers for everything when you’re just coping what you see Daigo do.
Not every character has a “Daigo” to show you how to use him well, and almost nobody wants to figure out a character for themselves.
There are not enough innovators. It’s like what Sabre did for Sakura, pushing her gameplay to a different level. Now plenty of people are just jumping on his hard work and using his styles.
I like this post, because it’s true. Blame tier lists, I guess. You know who my favourite 3S player is? Hayao. Just watching him murder people with Hugo is madness. :looney: It’d be amusing to watch someone take Dan and just straight rape players because nobody bothered to learn how to fight against him.
There is way too much crying in this thread from non Ryu players who are just bitter their character got dealt a shitty hand. There are those players who deliberately pick less gifted characters and I have respect for that but those that do so and then spend all day whinging about them, ugh, change the damn record.
There is so much nonsense spouted about Ryu it’s untrue “all the tools for every situation”, “FADC makes everything safe” etc. etc. He may well have nicely designed tools but you’re missing the point completely. Ryu is the easiest character to get down to the purely psychological level, ‘metagame’, whatever you want to call it. He is very straightforward, no schenanigans character, the player knows this as does the opponent. All his tools support this and if you’re not good at reading and influencing your opponent, you’re going to get dead very quick. You have no tricks to fall back on, no complex mixups and more importantly, no way of dealing decent damage without successfully influencing and reading the other player.
‘All the tools for every situation’? What does Ryu have from outside low forward range? A fireball, and how is he going to end up with a net health advantage without reading the opponent perfectly? Guess correctly with a fireball and gain a bit of chip or at best ~80 damage, guess wrong and eat a big jump-in combo. Sounds like a pretty crappy guessing game to me. He has all the tools to deal with the situation if he guesses right and surely that’s the way it should be?
As to those that say he is boring, I have fairly so-so execution but I can play more of the ‘game’ with Ryu than I can with any other character. Spending my entire play time practicing stupid 1f links for my BnB with other characters sounds truly boring to me. He’s the only ‘finished’ character, nerfing him would be rediculous.
QCF+K: Fake Fireball same use as SSF2T:R, but if close can use as a hit (similar to Chun-lis CFEs Souhakkei).
HCF+K: Joudan Sukotou Geri same use as SF3:3S
Super: change to Shinku Tatsumaki Senpukyaku.
So, You would replace his staple Super, and one of the best Supers in the game, for one that he already has as his EX move.
No thank you. I’d like the other two suggestions, but a fake fireball would probably cause a whole chorus of collective bitching and moaning from people who complain about Ryu already, regardless of how well their mains were buffed.
For those who haven’t seen the Ryu v. Cody footage, it looks like the juggle properties on LP SRK are largely unchanged. Good stuff.
If Ryu has a fake fireball he would be a nightmare for non fireball characters. Imagine this situation
Ryu: Hadoken
Honda: Yes, jump in combo for me
Ryu: Just playing, SRK, FADC, Metsu…SHORYUKEN(for 55-60% damage)
Lets put it this way, if the Fake Fireball is what it’s suppose to be, you can’t even jump a fireball on reaction because Ryu should recover in time to SRK your ass. Not fun for non fireball characters, but should do wonders for the legion of Ryu players. So with that said,make it happen Capcom.
I honestly think capcom is going to do things right. LP anti-air DP looks like it still links to Ultra/EX’s. Really I hope they give him 1 small buff and buff the hell out of the rest of the cast. I’m just worried how they are going to buff sim.
how and why would u want any improvements to a character that has no bad match ups wat so ever… i mean are u serious u know how many ways ryu can punish? his footsies his pokes everything is perfect for him His AA’s he can rush down zone turtle n still be god wtf else does he really need its rediculous