If ryu got fake fireball there better be some strong minuses to balance out adding that move, and i’m just wondering what ryu players think those minuses should be.
More range on his low forward.
they’d better fix those retarded input shortcuts, huge reversal windows and dumb shoryuken properties (for all shotos btw)
im sick and tired of playing 30 shotos in a row, and not even being in an advantageous position on knockdown, because i have to let go of pressure so they won’t do that dumb chain-shoryuken shit
its simply not fun playing bait and punish
So fake fireball is broken. Got it. Just give him mule kick and he’s g2g.
quite punishable how?
Yes… Because I TOTALLY said he has few options.
No it’s cool. Keep posting. More ego. Good shit.
If ryu got fake fireball there better be some strong minuses to balance out adding that move, and i’m just wondering what ryu players think those minuses should be.
Which would ruin the ENTIRE POINT of the fake fireball. The only misuse in HDREMIX is that he gets hit if he fakes while someone else is throwing a fireball. And that’s not a *strong *misuse.
I only know a few characters, and I will make the caveat right now that this is all spacing and timing dependent.
Chun: Her standing medium kick will hit him as an AA on this move from the right spacing. It only works when he jumps deep, so if he is far I backdash or I walk forward and do the medium kick which will hit him on the underside of his hitbox. Standing fierce can also work but its much much harder for me to hit that consistently.
Ryu: He can jab dp it…with correct timing he can avoid a trade.
Abel: I have had luck using his crouch fierce, but it does trade often. The trick seems to be to do the crouch fierce as early as possible, without it whiffing. The upside is that even if it trades, he can Ultra juggle.
Gen: His standing fierce can hit it without trading. This is really hard though.
Cammy: Cannon spike.
Rose: Instead of AAing him, I use her slide to go under him and throw him when he is in landing animation and cannot tech.
Yes… Because I TOTALLY said he has few options.
Umm you said that his weakness is that he’s the most predictable guy in the game. In order for him to get that predictable, he’d either have to have less options or it’s the fault of the guy playing. He sure as hell doesn’t have less options, so why did you say that? Probably the same reason you made up alot of what you said .
**Which would ruin the ENTIRE POINT of the fake fireball. The only misuse in HDREMIX is that he gets hit if he fakes while someone else is throwing a fireball. And that’s not a strong misuse. **
Nice, that’s also a completely different game isn’t it? Why the hell should ryu get his fake fireball in this game in ADDITION to all he currently has? You’re right on par with sounding like the original poster now.
How are you 27 years old, and still stupid enough to post this shit? How is that possible? This a blatant assumption, and on par with you putting words in my fucking mouth.
Just go back to the Guile Thread. Really. There aren’t going to be any nerfs to these characters so your point is moot. You have this paranoia that the Ryu army is some how conspiring to get to the top tier, and make it so that their the only ones there. Honestly? Fuck it. Make Ryu mid tier. He was in ST, and I still played him.
ALL of the advantages Ryu has in this game are very similar to what he had in super turbo. Which you fail to understand. I mean in the context of that game as well.
I’m going to tell you something and you can either take it or leave it, I don’t give a fuck. But really, if you don’t take it seriously, then it’s your loss as a player. A week ago, I went to SHGL’s and I talked with Valle. I asked him point blank… “Is Ryu an overpowered character…”
His answer was…
“No. I mean, he has a lot of options, but there’s ways to get around them. No character is overpowered in this game. I mean he can get predictable–”
"But he’s not as bad as Chun Li in 3s?“
Nods
"If you’re losing, you just have to play better”
“No it’s not cause of that, I was arguing with some Guile player about this”
"Guile player?“
I nod
"Tell him to go slit his wrists(Laughs) I’m joking, don’t really say that.”
“I did. I didn’t see him for four days afterwards.”
(laughs) “That’s messed up.”
That’s the conversation. Take it or leave it. If you don’t think it happened, no skin off my back. But honestly, that’s the fact of the matter. Most of the shit I’ve argued with is shit I’ve learned from him, or SHGL, or GOOTECKS, or any really good player in SOCal… and every time I lose and blame my execution, they tell me “You got outplayed.” How is it that playing with Guile, I can make Ryu’ whiff a fierce Shoryu, or stuff a Light shoryu and you can’t? This is incomprehensible to me.
Honestly, I’m tired of arguing. If you want to get better, listen to what I just quoted, if not… keep arguing. Because I’m telling you, next game… doesn’t matter if Guile is Jesus Tier, and all his moves start up in Three frames… and he can mash flash kick into Ultra… he’s going to be an easy ass matchup for me… unless the player can prove me wrong. Now if you want to quote frame data, that’s fine with me. But even with Frame Data(which I know), I play field. NCR, Ryu got second. There was no other Ryu players even in the top 8. The past 5 major tournaments the max Ryu’s in top 8 has been 2.
But hey. Good luck to you. If you want to keep on talking, go ahead. I ain’t even gonna take the ego anymore son. Just letting you know, bitching about a matchup isn’t going to help you win it.
Dude your ego is taking up my entire screen. :annoy:
hey guys, OP here…
yeah i forgot about mule kick! maybe give its ex version crumple stun properties so den you can combo the shin shoryu
thats a great idea. ryu would be useless if he can’t combo his 2nd ultra. be a total waste of space.
I disagree with the fake, in HDR its very potent against nonfireballers. He doesn’t need it if they have a fireball, but if you are playing someone without one, it really screws with their approach game.
I’m assuming it recovers very quickly to bait jumpins?
How are you 27 years old, and still stupid enough to post this shit? How is that possible? This a blatant assumption, and on par with you putting words in my fucking mouth.
You want me to quote exactly what you said…again…? My age? Hey i’m not the one who’s self esteem revolves around an online forum. Again, who said ANYTHING about 3S chunli? Besides you i mean.
Whoa you didn’t see someone for a couple days on an online forum…and it was the weekend? Fucked up man…
Who said i can’t make ryu whiff an SRK? I don’t remember saying that…does it change the properties of the move? No…
Who said anything about the matchup? Look at ALL you just said and none of it really meant anything aside from not being able to comprehend what’s going on.
Ryu, in THIS game, doesn’t need anything in addition to what he already has, which may be more than he’s ever had. He’s supposed to be a jack of all trades, he’s gone beyond that level, i’m not the first person to say it nor will i be the last. If you think he needs more then you’re as bad as the OP, and people didn’t take that post seriously so that ought to tell you something.
My self esteem has nothing to do with an online forum. But it certainly does help when you keep posting, and it’s clear to see you’re butthurt that you can’t beat Ryu. And if you weren’t, you wouldn’t have been posting over so many pages, you’d be back on the Guile thread asking for buffs.
The reason I mention your age is that you’re 27, old enough to pick up basic concepts and are still arguing like a 13 year old against someone who’s played these games longer than you have in a competitive manner, and is trying to give you basic insight on this shit. Because everything you’ve been saying is stupid wrong.
But like I said. If you don’t want to take the advice. Then fine. No skin off my back. But all of these problems you have with Ryu are easily fixed by upping your game. The fact that you’re complaining about them, is just shows that you’re misplacing your blame.
Oh, that “Didn’t see you for a couple of days” thing was a joke. Wanted to give you the whole conversation just so you know I wasn’t making the whole thing up. But like I said. You don’t believe me, you don’t believe me.
His regular hados have 12 startup frames and ~40 recovery frames (there’s still a bug that ties the recovery to the strength of the last used normal)
Fake hado is like 25 frames. He goes through the startup, puts his foot forward, and then pulls back. It also makes you guard if you are holding back or down back.
If you jump on reaction to the fake startup then he dps you after recovery, if you jump on reaction to the hado he dps you after the recovery.
Something else I forgot to mention that I dislike about his lp.srk. Even on a grounded opponent it’s a guaranteed super. It hit confirms into his super with no assistance whatsoever. He can use his lp.srk as a poke that hit confirms into his super. Doesn’t even require that great of timing, just shoot it before they hit the ground and it pretty much connects.
so by quite punishable what you really mean is that it’s punishable by particular aa’s, of which usually destroy other aerials quite easily, but it takes more timing, and even then it’s difficult? forgive me, but i’m going to have to disagree with your previous assessment of said move.
He’s joking right? Please someone tell me he’s joking.
You know theres this thing that they are trying to add to Super Street Fighter IV, it’s called balance, I think you heard of it. Last I heard it’s suppose to be the best feature in the game. You should look forward to it, Ryu will thank you for it too.