9272
Stop posting opinions.
Take a look at the tiers. Statistical data. Facts. Ryu goes even with almost everybody.
But opinions were soooo important when they said what we wanted? Statistics say ryu wins the second most tournies last i looked, and depending on what tier list you look at blanka is uber, which is a joke in my opinion so clearly tier lists don’t tell the whole story.
I don’t plan on touching this character when ssf4 comes along, but if I could make I suggestion: Can they make his current option a little less boring.
Seriously, why are you still arguing with this guy? Literally EVERYBODY agrees with you and thinks that other 9272 guy is an idiot and a troll. Why even waste your time?
lets give ryu a rush punch 
O–(’'Q)
also just make him a charge char
Still waiting on that gamertag.
I’m ready to take your ass out back, and put a LP Shoryu-deer-slug in you.
ol’ yeller style.
I’m sorry but this is just such failed logic I have to comment. Read your statement…don’t even put it in a Street Fighter context, just think about what you’re saying. Obviously every character has some strength that helps them compete. Ideally, every character should have an exploitable weakness to counterbalance their strength. Now you make the statement that just because one character is the only one that doesn’t have a weakness (only strengths), it doesn’t mean he’s overpowered compared to the rest of the cast that all DO have weaknesses? How does that make any sense?
God I hate this theory fighter bullshit. Just because he doesn’t have giant holes in his defenses you can abuse doesn’t mean he’s fucking superman. He’s not invulnerable to your attacks, he doesn’t have superarmor on his fucking neutral stance. He’s a good all round character, but he’s not unbeatable, he’s not the best at everything in the game, he’s not even the best at anything in the game, and he doesn’t dominate tournaments, despite being the most played character.
He’s high tier, sure, but he’s not even “top tier”, let alone “OP”. He’s fine stop whining.
this thread is full joy aint it
The only whining is you about my simple call for logic. I didn’t mention ANY of the exaggerated items you just invented to make yourself feel better. Wow, you lot really have a problem with this whole strawman business, huh? Clearly you “hate this bullshit” because it makes you have to think.
My simple question still stands: How does it stand to reason that the only character with no exploitable weakness does not have a distinct advantage over the rest of the cast that do? How is that balance? I wouldn’t mind hearing a thoughtful answer instead of more of the garbage you just tried to pass as a response.
I would argue that he is undoubtedly the BEST at landing his Ultra.
I think that honor goes to rufus, actually.
I met the guy person. I also disagreed with him on the overpoweredness, and he respectfully understood my viewpoint. He also somewhat agreed with me after that Buffing Guile would make it much easier. The other thing… is he presented intelligent shit. You haven’t presented one intelligent viewpoint thusfar. As well… you just insulted one of Socal’s best seth players(saikyobeast) in your last post, implying he was a scrub. Yeah okay.
But whatever. I already feel bad for the here-say. Really it proves no point. The only reason I post it, is to let you know what you’re saying is idiotic and really stupid.
And I’m editing my posts because I’m thinking of new shit to say. And once again, you’re still just feeding my ego. Thanks.
EDIT: btw
Top 20 in Japan. This was after like 2 tier lists. Ryu was right below Sagat still. Pretty much had the same matchups and data as he does now. Same tricks with c.MK.
Only One Ryu in the top 20. Period. And before you say he’s on the top, keep in mind it’s fucking Daigo who’s playing him.
@at Nebuul
I’ll concede that is at least arguable.
I guess what I was thinking was that in tournament footage I see more Ryu’s land Ultra than anything else.
An Abel player is number five? Mad props to that guy… I want to see footage!
Oh and I don’t completely disagree with you, but I want to throw out one idea for you to chew on: Sagat is the most common character on that list. If Sagat was not so powerful in this game (let’s pretend that from day one Capcom made him low tier), who do you think all these players would play instead?
My money is on Ryu first, Balrog/Rufus second.
Because your argument boils down to “Ryu is a Jack of all trades, master of none, thus he’s OP”. Something which has been discussed a thousand times and is a complete fallacy.
The problem is the definition of “weakness”. If Claw’s knocked down you can bully him without worrying about taking damage in retaliation. If Chun’s sticking moves out many characters can jump at her without worrying about taking damage. Much of the time you generally fireball Honda without worrying too much about damage (although if you’re not careful you’ll lose your spacing, which isn’t good, but still)
In most matchups you can’t do that to Ryu, you can’t really get him into a situation where you have good options for damage, but the best thing he can do is get out of the situation. People (like 9272) get confused and think this means that his specific options don’t have weaknesses, which is obviously untrue. In any situation he has multiple options, some of which will be the the right option, and the wrong option will end up being punished, he has to be on the ball and not get predictable, just like people playing against Ryu do if they want to be able to deal with his options.
He has always been like this, and I can’t think of a SF game where tournament players considered him OP, so the idea that this by itself is enough to make him overpowered is, in my not so humble opinion, retarded.
Now if people were complaining about specific things, like why is his walk speed, overhead, focus attack and uppercuts better than Ken’s on top of having the better fireball, mid range punishes and combos into Ultra. (and safe on block tatsus, of course, comparing him to Ken, who’s generally considered low tier might be a bit pointless). But many, including you aren’t. You’re saying his very character concept is OP, which makes no sense.
Part of that is you just see more Ryu players. For the record I’d personally put Balrog above Ryu too, although I’d agree that the three of them are all pretty close.
Shiro is a mad beast. :mad:
Of course logically they would go to the characters under sagat on the tier list if they main him because he’s tops.
First I want to say I’m not completely disagreeing with you, but I think you’re oversimplifying it.
Characters have strengths and weaknesses. Zangief is scary up close but he can’t do crap full screen.
Akuma has a nasty vortex but he can’t take very many hits.
It would make perfect sense that a character could be average in every area and therefore avoid being ‘below’ average in an area.
But that’s not Ryu… he’s far above average in almost every area.
So saying “Ryu is a jack of all trades but a master of none” doesn’t quite describe it. It’s more like “Ryu is an almost-master of all trades but not a complete master of any.”
But disregard me, being a Claw main I tend to think “overpowered!” when really Claw’s weaknesses make all the high tier characters seem overpowered by comparison.
I mean, choose claw and play nothing but good Blanka’s and Balrog’s all day, and you’ll quickly be in the “nerf the high tier crowd” instead of “only buff low/mid tier crowd.” You’ll think having an exploitable weakness is just part of the game.
How the hell can you be “perfectly balanced” if you’re 2nd in tier-listing?
Perfectly balanced means his advantages equal his disadvantages.
Right now, Ryu has many obvious advantages, but no distinct disadvantages.
“Perfectly balanced” usually means someone around mid-tier level.
It doesn’t make sense to call Ryu “perfectly balanced”. Does that mean every other character in the game isn’t balanced? Won’t it make sense if Ryu was brought down to an even playing field instead of bumping everyone up (and making a host of problems in the process).
Ryu can keep many of his properties, but he doesn’t need excellent normals, pokes, crossup, Super, Ultra, tick-throw setups. His damage is extremely good.
One look at Vega and you go “wtf happend here?”.
Oh, and please don’t reference old tier-lists in 2008. Ryu’s been topping major tournaments around the world. Easily 2nd in wins after Sagat.
No it doesn’t. Ryu pulls off Ultra more often in a match than Rufus.