I’d love to play you using Fei, I’ve never used Fei in my entire life but I’ll still give you a go. I only play on xbl: rashed786.
Had I been using Fei since sf4 got released, I’m pretty sure I would have become good at Fei vs Ryu simply due to how many times on championship mode I would have come across a Ryu matchup. I would have read up about Fei on the SRK thread and improved my skills. Even If I lost to Ryu’s, I wouldnt come on the Ryu thread and start dissing them! You should “man up”, read up on the matchup, improve your skills with Fei and practice.
Tell me something Bruce, using Ryu have you ever played against a good El Fuerte? El Fuerte doesnt have a fireball (just like Fei), but I find El Fuerte really difficult because of his crazy mixup game once he knocks me down! You dont need a fireball to beat Ryu, look at Zangief for instance! There are plenty of characters in the game who dont have fireball but are still very competitive (in the right hands).
If your on xbl, add me and I’ll play you using Fei. I’ll probably lose to your Ryu since I’ve never used Fei, but who knows, sometimes you can beat good players with simple tactics.
El Fuerte is designed to be a fireball killer though. Capcom literally went out of their way to make 3 of the 4 new characters literal fireball destroyers. Though of course gave all 3 of them shit footsies. Cuz you know in SF a character doesn’t need good footsies. Just good fireballs or a way around them. That’s probably why a lot of randoms complain and wonder whether or not this or that character is effective vs. fireballs. When there’s really no character in the game that outright loses to fireballs except maybe Dictator against Guile. Even Rufus who has some trouble getting around fireballs ultimately loses to characters like Ryu and Sagat because of their uppercuts and superior footsies…not the fireballs. The fireballs just make the footsies and shoryus easier to land.
Either way Ryu arguably goes even with or beats El Fuerte because without the wake up shenanigans and fireball killing moves Fuerte was not really designed for SF. Footsies kill him. All El Fuerte can do is hope you decide to throw a fireball (a good Ryu won’t) and then from there has to hope he catches you whiffing a normal or a shoryu. If the Ryu player is blocking and neutral jumping well Fuerte will be looking hard for opportunities. If he knocks Ryu down he can definitely mess with him bad but it’s not really reliable at high level play to solely rely around low damage mix ups to win. You need stronger fundamentals.
I cant understand the hate for Ryu in sf4. I mean, apart from Daigo, I dont see Ryu appear in that many high level matches. Had Daigo used Akuma/Sagat in sf4 rather the Ryu, would Ryu be getting this much hate? Would brucelee-kid be writing on the Akuma/Sagat threads instead of the Ryu thread?
A lot of the hate for Ryu really just stems from the fact that people are jealous their characters aren’t as powerful as Ryu. They don’t get ultras when they trade with an air normal from ANY point in the air, they don’t have a 5 frame c.MK that cancels into anything, they probably don’t have as solid of a focus attack, they don’t have a 3 frame c.LP that goes into anything, they don’t have a shoryu they can make safe on block and go into ultra. I mean none of that stuff is downright broken by any means but a lot of it is just easy to go to maneuvers that other SFIV characters just don’t have access to. Capcom spent too much time designing a bunch of characters that would be able to get around Ryu’s projectiles. The problem was they didn’t design most any of them to beat his footsies or his shoryus. They forgot your character needs solid footsies to win high level SF matches with any real regularity. Otherwise they’re forced to rely on shenanigans that are just not as consistent.
I’m sure Daigo realizes that most of the characters in SFIV were just not designed to stack up to Ryu outside of pure shenanigans that Ryu can just shut out with effective spacing. Even the characters that have solid fundamentals against Ryu just don’t have his tools or damage output (Guile, Dictator etc.). I mean I’ve never really hated Ryu as a character in SFIV but I’ve defintiely hated how easy it is for him to do the same things most characters have to put a lot of effort into to remotely accomplish. The game just wasn’t designed in a way so that all characters would have real tools for each other and that’s what Super will hopefully address.
On top of that…any character that gets used often in tournaments gets hated on somewhat. Yun, Chun and Ken got hated on in 3S. Ken probably got hated on the most if you counted online play because every 3S scrub that didn’t really know how to play 3S would just run to Ken as a go to character cuz he reminded them the most of SF2 or Daigo Parry. In CVS2 practically any character that was good got hated on cuz they were generally better than a lot of the other characters (Sagat, Cammy, Blanka, Dictator, A Sakura, A Vega etc.)
I see your point. I guess other characters being badly built meant Ryu automatically became a good character. Does Akuma get this much hate? He has a tonne of options compared to Ryu with his air fireballs, teleport, vortex mixup, great focus attack, massive output on Ultra I and all his SRK’s are equivalent (or sometimes better) then Ryu’s, so why so much hate for Ryu?
The trade dp into Ultra I is something I really hate and I dont even use that “cheap” method of Ultra (unless I’m playing a Ryu mirror match or against Sagat) simply because I feel its unfair. I’ve been on the end of many trade TU’s into Ultra which drain 50% of my life and I know how frustrating it is.
Hopefully with the nerfs Ryu has received in SF4 and buffs to characters like Guile, will mean that people will stop moaning about Ryu and respect Good Ryu players (somehow I doubt that will be the case).
Being good with Ryu is not as easy as people make out simply because everybody knows the Ryu matchup so well that there is nothing that really suprises them. Most people who play with somebody other then Ryu have somewhere along the line played with Ryu so they should have an idea of what tricks/traps he has up his sleeve.
Playing in championship mode with Ryu and coming across a Fei/El Fuerte/Rose is alot more worrying for me then coming across a Sagat/Gief/Boxer simply because of the amount of times I come across Sagat/Gief/Boxer compared to Fei/El Fuerte/Rose.
Hopefully Fei will get buffed so that Brucelee-kid stops coming on the Ryu thread and moaning about aduken. Does Brucelee-kid go on the Sagat/Ken/Akuma threads and moan on there also? Is he trying to get himself noticed so that capcom improve Fei or something? I just dont know what his intentions are, either way, Ryu has been nerfed quite a bit in Super SF4, lets just hope the infamous tier list gets condensed to the extent that people can enjoy playing the game without crying about their favourite character being inadequate.
The hate stems from the fact that any average Ryu player on XBL/PSN can pull off some of the basic things that Daigo uses in clutch matches to win. Trade to Ultra…yeah anybody can do that and it’s a quick way to win a match against someone who needed to get one or 2 good jump in trades to win the match against you. You can’t really use jump in trades for offense against Ryu like the old days because the trades always work in his favor. So that effectively kills a lot of the reason to even mount an offense on Ryu especially if he has better footsies and more damaging BnB’s than your character does. Shoryu FADC? Yeah any random on Xbox Live can do that too and with the lag YOU WILL get caught. It will just fucking happen. You’re trying to mount some kind of an offense against a Ryu with some meter and u try to stop your block string and then fish for a counter hit but in the lag u won’t be able to react to Ryu twitching to start a shoryu and u get slammed with a bunch of free ass damage. Might as well just stop pressing buttons at Ryu unless u just block and tech till he burns his meter.
Akuma may not get as much hate because generally…it’s Akuma. No matter how annoying he could be he doesn’t have trade to take all your life away, he doesn’t have shoryu FADC Ultra and anything of his that is powerful generally requires more work and ingenuity than what Ryu is capable of in the hands of a nobody. Why do you think 80 percent of the Akuma’s online do nothing but air fireball and teleport with the occasional dive kick or demon flip? Cuz Akuma has no health and he knows the opponent knows it. It doesn’t matter what character the other person is using…all they are thinking about is taking advantage of Akuma’s low health. Cuz at lower levels of play health makes a huge difference since Akuma players just generally won’t be at that Tokido level of play where they can mount a huge offense on you without getting hit. Scrub Akuma will make mistakes and die before the round hits 70 seconds if he isn’t turtling his ass off. The majority of people online don’t even know how to set up Akuma’s ultra. So they usually end up randomly pressing focus attack hoping it hits and then the damage reduction kills the damage on the ultra.
It basically comes down to a threatning Akuma is much more difficult to utilize than a threatning Ryu. Ryu’s basic threatning stuff can be done by any Joe Shmoe online. Whereas Akuma’s basic threatning things like setups into raging demon and BnB’s are completely over the average online gamer’s head and he dies in 2 combos.
Honestly if Ryu died in 2 combos people wouldn’t complain about him as much. Though he has good health so he’s fucked for being appreciated.
the only thing that really sets Ryu apart from Fei is the cr.mk into everything and the stupid trades in Ultra. Outside of that everything is pretty fair game. Besides a good 85% of PSN Ryu’s dont know what their doing and its really obvious. As soon as I rematch them with Rose and take away their Fireball game all they know how to do is give free jumpin’s, sit there and get thrown, or mash lp.DP’s to get them out of every situation.
If you posted this sort of comment on say the Gamefaqs boards you may get a few low-level players with the same loser-scrub mentality giving you a ‘hellz yeah lol ryu is overrpowrd lol adooken is for losers’. You can rest assured though that won’t happen here, you just look like a whiney scrub not willing to put the effort in to learn solutions to whatever problem characters you face.
People need to stop whining, the fact is that it’s harder to win with Ryu if you’re decent than it is if you’re decent with another character that isn’t as straightfoward.
fei long has great footsies,and dope flashy combos.just have to work alot harder to get in on people with good spacing or better footsies i.e chun ryu sim .and has low health making him far from the best but not the worst character.i think he is very underated.and his cross ups are dope. i dont know why people even pay attention to this bruce kid.what is his credibility?
Yeah, I agree with the stop whining part but umm, I don’t wanna rehash the “Ryu is easy/not easy” arguement, but you can’t convince me that it’s harder to be decent with him than it is to be decent with Viper/Chun/Akuma/Sagat/Ken. I only named "good’ characters cause nothing positive would stem from me naming obviously bad/disadvantaged characters.
he didnt say it was harder to be decent with him. he sed it was harder for him to win with if ur decent with him versus being decent with other said characters, which is true, imo. he’s not easy to win with, even tho he is easier to learn. the issue at hand, however, has nothin to do with learning him, juss sayin if sum1 is as good with akuma/viper as he is with ryu(which obviously they’re gonna spend more time traingin with viper/akuma) he’s likely to have an easier time with matches than ryu does, mainly because, as sum1 sed b4, everyone knows the ryu matchup rather well
well said. i argued with ryu players for pages and they still thought that i lost to ryu becasue my fei sucked. if ryu players had stopped and thought why they won, then this topic would be closed a long time ago. as for daigo, he was smart. he knows which character to choose for each street fighters series. for example, he chose ken instead of ryu in his famous parry battle with justin wong. y? cuz ryu didn’t have that shoryuchicken and then ultra or super like in sf4. and y he never played ken in sf4? cuz ken sucks than ryu in sf4!
having aduken is advantageous, using aduken is chicken, and abusing aduken is winning.
brucelee-kid
if we dont whine, how do we get capcom to nerf down ryu so that other characters have a better chance with him. a fair fight is when people have similar tools. if u have a pistol with 6 bullets and i have a machine gun with unlimited mag, do u think it is a fair gun showdown? thus, people whine for reason. and think for other low tier characters too even if u dont play them. if everyone plays ryu, sagat, balrog, zangief, then street fighters 4 will be boring, dont u think?
having aduken is advantageous, using aduken is chicken, and abusing aduken is winning.
brucelee-kid
like i said, if u dont main other low tier characters, then u dont understand. for example, u say u understand the pain of a handicapped person, but u actually dont unless u r handicapped. if u were handicapped, then u would think of the pain everyday, and not just for a second like u just did when i mentioned it. it is people like u that dont give a shit about other people that make this world shitty.
having aduken is advantageous, using aduken is chicken, and abusing aduken is winning.
brucelee-kid