I think everyone forgets this when they say Sagat vs Ryu will be even worse for Ryu.
Yes, Sagat can jump in more easily. Sagat also can’t do shit to you up close since he loses s.LK cancels.
A bit funny… They took out SRK FADC Ultra from Ryu and Ken got it.
I think I missed something. Did Ryu lose priority on DP from wakeup as well?
Not on wakeup…in general.
At least that’s what’s been reported.
so much for so many ways to land the ultra…most of those ecompasses srk fadc in some shape or form…safe jump OS dp fadc ultra for example.
why use ultra right after super? shit damage
jab dp ultra you mentioned twice…so from that 12…only about 5 is unique…
That sounds like a pretty big nerf if you ask me. The trade into Ultra I could care less about, I never used it anyway. And the 2 hit DP is fine with me. At least I can use it against FA and break those like you can with a ken H.DP. But if you lose all priority on all DP’s then it’s good for what? Unblocked totally open opponents as long as they don’t throw out a jab? AA as long as they don’t kick or punch? I’m not an expert like a lot of you but this sounds like a pretty big nerf to me.
I was kinda hoping they would have nerfed some of he’s Super options, but since he lost alot of he’s DP goodness It seems like Ryu wont be that tough anymore.
Your math skills are so strong that you fail to see there’s no possible way sagat could have that happen in a match even with 1100 health.
I wasn’t counting some of those, but one of the ones i was thinking of was crossup air tatsu into ultra, and alot of good sagats get hit by that one. There’s a list into more appropriate ways ryu can go into ultra earlier in the thread, if you could all these it’s even frigging worse.
The thing is, that guy is a vega player who doesn’t seem to know a thing about either sagat OR ryu. Any player who’s worth a damn at all wouldn’t see losing trade ultra as a huge nerf.
Edit: Found the page…1st try believe it or not on page 39. The ultra setups listed were
angled j.MP -> Ultra
(corner) EX Tatsu -> Ultra
(corner) EX Hado -> Ultra
EX Hado -> FADC -> Ultra
DP -> FADC -> Ultra
(anti-air) DP -> Ultra
(deep jump-in) angled j.HP/j.HK -> Ultra
(Lvl. 2-3) Focus attack -> Ultra
Trade DP -> Ultra
Super -> Ultra
Corner air-tatsu -> Ultra
Fireball on landing opponent -> Ultra
Corner AA lk tatsu -> Ultra
Corner lk tatsu crossup -> Ultra
Wow…even more than 12… ahahahah my bad. Yea, there’s no way he’s gonna land any of that on a “good” sagat.
It is a big nerf, no doubt. Sagat just has even worse nerfs.
Worse nerfs than SRK losing it’s invincibility, and it’s damage? I don’t think so. If it’s as bad as Polic is imagining, SRK got shot to shit. I can only hope that it’s not that bad, and the “trading with everything” is on meaties only. Which is still pretty bad.
So you’re saying Sagat getting raped easily in footsies now isn’t as bad as SRK invincibility nerf?
s.LK was the only thing preventing Ryu from being able to walk all over Sagat when he does get in. Combined with the health and damage nerfs, I don’t see how this would even be close to worse for Ryu.
I’m pretty sure that if you switched nerfs he and everyone else relying on brainless SRK counters would still be complaining. Imagine how much worse ryu would be if he lost his footsies and 100 health!?!? Imagine how little sagat would be effected if his tiger uppercut lost “priority” (probably happened anyways) and lost trade ultra?
It’s a joke.
They didn’t say it lost ALL its invincibility did they? I heard that it only lost a frame or two. This is conjecture, obviously, and we won’t for sure until the frame data hits BUT if it’s still somewhat invincible the net result is that you’re going to have to tighten up your timings but that overall its capabilities will remain the same.
This also means that jump in jab dps into ultra are viable and many of the other setups are still viable. What you won’t have is the same damage as before and it won’t have quite the same priority as before but it’s still going to be a good move. Hell even the pros who used him explained that he’s still really solid and very much a contender. That should be all you need to hear.
I’m also not so concerned with the sagat battle as I am against the rest of the cast. This could easily put Ryu into mid tier.
Again, I’m not anywhere near as knowledgeable as you guys, but it seems like they made Ryu a harder character to play with against everyone.
My theory, Justin wong got them to do this so he could finally beat diago 
jk
Well, harder reversal DPs would hurt Ryu’s chances against dive kick spam on KD. On the other hand it’s daigo so he’ll find a way to make it happen.
All he has to do is time it, i’m sure he’s more than capable of doing that, as is any competent player
Instead, Sagat will have to use s.LK as a poke only, and use c.LP and c.LK up close. Which are still special cancelable. Sure, it makes his footsies a bit worse, but raped easily? I’ll believe that when I see it.
Meanwhile, worst case scenario, Ryu’s AA isn’t even reliable anymore. Trades are not beneficial anymore, and if it’s lost it’s invincibilty all you’ll get is a low damage 1st hit traded. Footsies are extremely important, yes. But if your opponent isn’t afraid to jump in on you, they don’t matter nearly as much.
On the flip side, if all it amounts to is having to time all his DPs like you were timing a deep DP in vanilla, then it’s not much of a problem at all.
WooooShooee13, it’s pretty funny how you still troll here when you don’t know what you’re talking about, and everyone already knows it. Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful.
Stop pretending you can’t use st.lk anymore. Just because you can’t do stupid st.LKxxEX low tiger. Goddamned babies. Try using Guile for a week.
I went back to page 39 and you were STILL posting dumb things waaaaaay back then. I know more about ryu than you do, that’s why i know he’s not at a severe disadvantage in that matchup just like any half decent player said he wasnt. It’s only people who don’t know what they are doing that complain, and you’ve defended every easy-mode tactic ryu has had.
You wish you knew more about Ryu than I do. Except anytime I ask you a question about Ryu, you can’t answer it. Can’t point out how what I’m saying is wrong. Can’t validate your own stances other than just laughing it off and dropping buzzwords like “easy mode”.
And you swear I’m complaining, when I don’t. I agreed with Fouts, saying that depending on how bad the SRK nerf is, yeah, it could be worse than Sagat’s in the end. I defended what Ryu has in SFIV because he’s not OP, and if every character got what they needed as characters and they fixed the game mechanics, nerfing Ryu wouldn’t have been necessary. Shit hasn’t changed from page 39 bruh.
Capcom didn’t go that route entirely, but if Ryu’s DP ends up with decent invincibility, then his nerfs aren’t a big deal, as well they shouldn’t be.
Kicker is that I’ve had decent exchanges with people about this, from both sides of the “nerf Ryu or not” spectrum, and even trolls like yourself. Which has consistently been more than you can handle without falling into idiocy.
So no, at this point you can’t convince me that you know know more about anything than I do. Except maybe failing.