Noob.
Except that fei and cammy’s U2’s can be armor broken. :lol:
Sure Capcom knows exactly what they are doing. Some of the time. :rolleyes:
/angry retort
Just my thoughts, and I am by no means an expert, but c.HP isn’t very good. It trades a lot and its fairly slow.
I’m not really concerned with trade dp ultra, that should definitely be gone. I don’t even think reducing the damage on ultras AND ryu’s shoryuken are that big of a deal. I’m fine with those. I think that those reductions in addition to the reduction of fadc combos across the board is gonna hurt his damage a fair amount, but we’ll see.
I’m also definitely against the invulnerability frames being gone, but we’ll see how Ryu players adjust to that. I’ve been playing Akuma the last couple days in case Ryu is really bad (I still think he’ll be mid to middle upper tier, by no means bad at all and probably for the good of the overall game. I just think there are betters way of balancing him.)
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Who are you again?
Oh yeah, that famous idiot, or troll, or whatever. 
Couldn’t stay away, huh? LMAO.
You probably couldn’t name my arguments. Probably not even one of them.
Hilarious that you keep trying though. It’s almost cute, in a pathetic, starved animal kind of way. My life’s still peachy, thanks for the concern. To be as fixated as you are is unhealthy though, so you probably should be more concerned about your own.
Long answer: His AA to still be good enough to ensure that my fireballs and footsies matter, and something to make SSFIV Ryu seem like more than just “gimped SFIV Ryu”. We were all promised early that everyone was getting better. I wanted that, with no exceptions. On an unrelated note, I really wanted Karin too.
Short Answer: For all his tools to work well, and as they should. I really couldn’t care less what tier he winds up in, as long as that’s the case.
Well for me anyway, if I know that I am throwing out a late DP and it’s as likely to trade as C.HP, I am more likely to ensure doing a C.HP than a DP. I don’t know the damage numbers but if Ryu’s first hit of DP is as bad as they say C. HP may actually be the better trade.
no friggin way.
My replies = max information in minimal space, take 5 seconds. Always 100% correct.
Your replies = min information and unjustified whining in maximum space. Clearly take awhile. Proven wrong repeatedly by myself, others, capcom. If you spend half as much time playing the game maybe you wouldnt completely suck donkey balls.
I’ll say it again, people who are remotely good dont spend all day trying to convince people that the top tier character they play isnt that good. Capcom thought he was too good. Top players thought he was too good. My girlfriend could see after 1 session that he was too good. You fail at logic, you fail at SF, no one reads your shit, no one cares. Get a life. May sound harsh, but trust me, take my advice. I’m really doing you a favor.
According to Mr. Wiz, yes way.
I missed the part where you linked vids of good players getting caught with most of these setups often
well actually because of these setups they eliminate alot of options so you obviously wouldnt see them get caught in SOME of these because they train not to be but even j wong has been caught in cr. mk ex fireball fadc ultra so there is 1
LOL, nice joke. Aren’t you the same fool that claimed that Ryu couldn’t be “All-Around” (a character design style) just because he was top tier? The same guy that like two people completely disregarded from jump street because of your trolling reputation? (Bravo, BTW.) You are that guy, right? 100% correct, that’s a good one.
Anyway, as I said, you can’t explain, or even name, one of the points I’ve made in this thread, you’re fixated on me like some sick puppy (does your “girlfriend” know about that?), and the best you can do is a couple incorrect, half ass assumptions, and “get a life”. You haven’t proven me wrong on one single point, though I’m sure you’d like to believe that. Yawn Change the channel. 
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And you seem angry that you can’t type as fast as I do. Posts like these are child’s play. They take no time at all. For me, anyway. I understand that you’re not as adept :lol:
:lame:Blah Blah Blah (to go along with the last 138 pages):lame:
Just ignore him Nitro, he is more likely to take his daddy issues else where.
As far as the Sagat vs Ryu match up is concerned, I am not really seeing how Ryu lost out on this set of nerfs. I mean he basically lost the ability to DP trade ultra. Was that like used a lot against Sagat for some reason? I don’t really know since I don’t really play Ryu much. They are both effected by the FADC damage reduction so that isn’t the scale tipper. I am just not really certain how this match up is any worse for Ryu than before. Or is that not the argument? I mean Ryu lost one fairly lesser used way to land ultra, but he has a lot of good alternatives for that anyway and FADC ultra is still there which is the one I see the most.
I know nothing at all about Sagat so I really can’t comment too much on this, but there is a lot of discussion going on regarding this match that I am not sure I am following here.
Keep in mind this is all in theory, but based on what’s been said, Ryu comes out pretty good in the Ryu vs Sagat matchup. Sagat not being able to special cancel off s.lk is the biggest nerf either of them received. The 2nd biggest is Sagat’s stamina nerf. Ryu and Sagat now have equal health! AND, depending on who you talk to, Sagat received a nerf on his damage overall, not simply to his uppercut like Ryu. So by my count, Sagat gets the 3 biggest nerfs in the matchup, which are effectively buffs for Ryu any time the characters face each other. The only reason why you have guys like Nitro asking for extra shit to “compensate” is because right now Sagat is pretty much the only SF4 character that’s confirmed to have received a brand new special or EX move/tool. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense from any standpoint, but coupled with many SF4 Ryu players’ spoiled tendencies, its downright unacceptable. The thinking is that later down the road, maybe Angry Scar could be utilized in a way that makes Sagat as good or better than he was in 4, so if Ryu doesn’t get anything like this, he’s essentially only getting nerfs w/ no potential to improve in other ways (save new ultra, of course.) Also, the whole “no nerfs, everyone gets buffs!” thing from Killian which a lot of Ryu players were quick to cross their fingers and accept as gospel. Of course I was telling people back when it was announced that that shit wasn’t gonna happen, and people got upset. Ryu players (and Sagat players and Rufus players) didn’t wanna hear it back then and now that they’re realizing I was right all along, they feel betrayed.
All of that said, even if Ryu doesn’t get anything extra, he’ll be fine because of how good he already was. So he lost a couple things that made it easier for him…he’ll just have to rely on the rest of his really good stuff. Both he and Sagat will probably have bigger fish to fry w/ the 3S chars looking godly.
So I’m assuming Sagat’s jump-in MP will absolutely always beat Ryu’s SRK now. Sweet.
Well, from what I’ve heard and what’s been said, It’s not just Trade Ultra. The damage on SRK has been nerfed in general. It’s 2 hits, so SRK FADC damage has been nerfed even harder. Also, they reduced a lot of it’s invincibility. Ryu lost a lot on his most reliable damage output, and Sagat already beat him in that respect anyway. If SRK is now trading with normals regularly, it’s effectiveness in Ryu’s close quarters game is also further reduced.
Ryu’s already at a disadvantage against Sagat, so if he lost out more in damage output, that could make it worse.
Basically, it depends on that, and how badly the invincibilty on SRK has been nerfed. It could be as kosher as needing to be EX’d to be a decent reversal, or as crippling as needing EX to be a decent anti-air. If it’s the latter, then that’s a way more serious nerf than 100 less health.
Not taking into account Sagat’s nerf either though. I think worse case in this scenario is the same as before, but meh don’t listen to what I have to say.
So sagat is harder for ryu, it sounds like you guys are blowing it out of proportion.
Actually, I’m more focused on the Dudley matchup. I’m not even all that worried about Sagat, I can just see how it could end up worse for Ryu than it is.
Sagat’s st lk being nerfed makes things a LOT better for ryu.