Ryu changes in SSFIV thread

[Cosine]

What I don’t get is why people are so mad that players are requesting at least some way to land a full ultra, it doesn’t even have to be from a combo, it could be from particular situations like how chun li can get a full ultra just by punishing fireballs. You’re not necessarily giving him added value if you give him a couple ways to land full ultra 2, you’re giving him an ALTERNATIVE way to play him because its a give and take, you’re sacrificing ultra setups to use ultra 2, people just want some incentive to make picking it actually worthwhile.

Giving ryu ways to land his ultra 2 doesn’t ADD to his many ways to landing an ultra, people are treating it as if he’ll have BOTH ULTRAS available at one time in a match. You do realise that when you pick ultra 2, you’re ELIMINATING those setups you had with ultra 1. All people are asking for is for it to be usable SOMEHOW, it doesn’t necessarily mean combo.

I’ll quote what i said again:

"What i’m trying to say is that it won’t give him additional options, just alternative options (that i believe is the point of having selectable ultras in the first place - provide players with hard to make choices and each ultra having respective pros and cons), with ryu specifically, it might not even be possible because his ultra 1 is just too good to ignore, there would have to be a MASSIVE incentive to sacrifice those setups to pick ultra 2.

The more I look into having selectable ultras, the more I realise how poorly they implemented it, for most characters they made 1 ultra good and 1 ultra flat out inferior, shit or just plain useless (or in rare cases having 2 shit ultras) rather than making both useful - Right now its almost like having to decide between choosing a machine gun and a toy sword, stupid, why implement selectable ultras when for most characters it’s a no brainer choice where you will ALWAYS pick the better ultra rather than actually having 2 useful ultras which have their respective pros and cons and their own respective utilization? They may as well just replace the existing ultra with the better one."

If for some reason it turns out that there’s the same setups for ultra 2 as ultra 1 and that the damage from ultra 2 does more damage (even the partial one) then again that would fall into the category of 1 good ultra and 1 flat out inferior ultra in terms of damage, again a poor design for the selectable ultra system.

[Stay_Crispy]

Complaining about tiers = scrub.

[Nitro263]

What I don’t get is why people are so mad that players are requesting at least some way to land a full ultra, it doesn’t even have to be from a combo, it could be from particular situations like how chun li can get a full ultra just by punishing fireballs. You’re not necessarily giving him added value if you give him a couple ways to land full ultra 2, you’re giving him an ALTERNATIVE way to play him because its a give and take, you’re sacrificing ultra setups to use ultra 2, people just want some incentive to make picking it actually worthwhile.

Giving ryu ways to land his ultra 2 doesn’t ADD to his many ways to landing an ultra, people are treating it as if he’ll have BOTH ULTRAS available at one time in a match. You do realise that when you pick ultra 2, you’re ELIMINATING those setups you had with ultra 1. All people are asking for is for it to be usable SOMEHOW, it doesn’t necessarily mean combo.

I’ll quote what i said again:

"What i’m trying to say is that it won’t give him additional options, just alternative options (that i believe is the point of having selectable ultras in the first place - provide players with hard to make choices and each ultra having respective pros and cons), with ryu specifically, it might not even be possible because his ultra 1 is just too good to ignore, there would have to be a MASSIVE incentive to sacrifice those setups to pick ultra 2.

The more I look into having selectable ultras, the more I realise how poorly they implemented it, for most characters they made 1 ultra good and 1 ultra flat out inferior, shit or just plain useless (or in rare cases having 2 shit ultras) rather than making both useful - Right now its almost like having to decide between choosing a machine gun and a toy sword, stupid, why implement selectable ultras when for most characters it’s a no brainer choice where you will ALWAYS pick the better ultra rather than actually having 2 useful ultras which have their respective pros and cons and their own respective utilization? They may as well just replace the existing ultra with the better one."

If for some reason it turns out that there’s the same setups for ultra 2 as ultra 1 and that the damage from ultra 2 does more damage (even the partial one) then again that would fall into the category of 1 good ultra and 1 flat out inferior ultra in terms of damage, again a poor design for the selectable ultra system.

I’m with you, 100%. My thoughts exactly.

[MixupMaster]

Oh, I see now. You were referring to Ultra I there. My mistake, I thought you were trying to add something meaningful to the conversation. Instead you were just pointing out the situations in which you hope to catch Ultra without any setups. So, you’re saying that Metsu SRK could replace SRK > FADC Ultra in those situations.

In which case, WTF are you talking about? There’s a reason Ultras like Shin SRK and Shinryuken aren’t very useful in countering jump-ins on reaction. There’s a reason SRK > FADC > Ultra I works well as punishes in those situations. HP SRK has 3 frame startup. Ultras generally have 10.

Your solution to Ultra II being useful, is to have it tack onto combos for shit damage, and have Ryu pray that his opponent makes a stupid mistake for it to ever have a chance to actually hit fully. I mean, sure, that’s viable in comparison to Ultra I. As long as Ultra II came out in 5 frames or less. I don’t have to explain to you how broken that would be, do I?

For his first Ultra. I’m talking about his second.

Been there with Guile and Ken. Used Rose and Vega as alternates, though I’ve dropped them. Spoiled is a stupid word to use here guy. Nobody’s forcing you to pick a character with disadvantages you don’t like. Beating top players is never easy, though with low tiers you can always whine and take this “grass is greener on the other side of the fence” attitude, which is very easy. Though it probably does no good to tell you that. You implied the 2nd best player in the world only wins because Ryu’s a good character. :rolleyes:

Yawn Typical. Can’t think of a decent response, go cry about how your low tiers can’t do this and that. Change the channel.

Meanwhile, I’m discussing the merits there need to be to pick either Ultra over the other, so that the same old Ryu that you all have been bitching about since you found out he can link his Ultra actually has some variety to his game instead of always hitting you with giant balls of plasma at every opportunity.

If the advantage isn’t worth sacrificing the setups for it, then of course not, idiot. What good is a powerful Ultra that almost never hits? Ask Honda.

Obviously you just want to be Metsu Hadoken’d in the face for all of your time playing Super, just like regular SFIV.

And what makes you think it will be that strong? If it had near full screen range and was unblockable, then it wouldn’t have to combo. Biggest reason you can’t combo a Raging Demon is cause it’s a grab, not cause it hurts.

Same damage? That’d make Metsu Hadoken useless. Seriously, how in the hell do you figure your setup does anything but allow Ryu to do the same old shit with either Ultra? That’s counter-intuitive to your bitching about his Ultra setups in the first place, moron. Leave it up to you, he gets his best Ultra setup for the same damage, AND a good punish for people who like to fuck up right in front of your face.

Good job.

In other news, I sure hope it doesn’t end up doing good damage off SRK FADC. That’s just so unfair to Ken, lol.

um maybe people complain about tiers because it isnt as fun to play a bad match ups so if you have a character that you like and you lots of bad match ups its frustrating,it is a game after all its supposed to be fun.its not a job,there is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion.the way you make it sound we should all drop our low tier character and play ryu,your arrogance irritates me.instead of emapthy you look down upon people as if they are lesser than you because their frustrated with the imbalances of their character,facts are is that alot of characters need a buff but if they use that as a crutch that is an entirely differnt story.regardless the only thing everybody wants is to have an equal playing field

[bigdaddy4]

why is it that most of these posts are TL;DR about a game that hasnt been released yet? I personally wont bitch about certain aspects of Ryu until i play SSFIV

[MixupMaster]

why is it that most of these posts are TL;DR about a game that hasnt been released yet? I personally wont bitch about certain aspects of Ryu until i play SSFIV

i agree,i like to complain about people complain about complainers lmao

[superyo1000]

i agree,i like to complain about people complain about complainers lmao

srk fadc to full ultra 2 will never happen. If they dont do it for ken, it wont happen for ryu. Sure you can say they are different…but compared to non shotos…they are similar and now they have similar ultras…enjoy your shit damage off a fadced srk muhahahahah:arazz:

[Cosine]

Think people would be happy if ultra 2 had the same sort of setups as ken’s ultra 1. Even from a CH SRK since ryu’s SRK hits twice now.

[Nitro263]

CH HP/MP SRK FADC, 1-hit j.MP, EX Tatsu. I’m good with just that. With that, I’d pick it over Metsu Hadoken in some cases.

[MixupMaster]

srk fadc to full ultra 2 will never happen. If they dont do it for ken, it wont happen for ryu. Sure you can say they are different…but compared to non shotos…they are similar and now they have similar ultras…enjoy your shit damage off a fadced srk muhahahahah:arazz:

i hope your right…i h8 ryu

[Prado78]

So far it looks like Ryu will be even more dominating, and make online play even more boring.
Sagat and Akuma are getting clear nerfs (TU damage and s.hk, respectively), while Ryu is getting none.

Wow… not.

[Cosine]

akuma got buffed in comic relief, that roflcopter reeks of hilarity, might even be the new dan.

[Duck_Strong]

Complaining about tiers = scrub.

Stay Crispy = Scrub (1.)

Ref.

1.See last 119 pages of ignorant bullshit.

[Nitro263]

So far it looks like Ryu will be even more dominating, and make online play even more boring.
Sagat and Akuma are getting clear nerfs (TU damage and s.hk, respectively), while Ryu is getting none.

Wow… not.

Hopefully roflcopter has some decent combos for good damage. All Ryu got was a damage nerf on HP SRK FADC so far because there was nothing about him that was OP, which is what I’ve been saying all along. We might see some more slight nerfs, but I’ll be surprised if it’s anything major.

Gouki’s s.HK created a meterless loop, and combo’d into all of his BnBs.

Sagat was OP because he had a health and damage output edge on pretty much the whole cast, advantage on the characters that had high health and damage like him (Gief, Rufus) and TU FADC combos that raped your life.

But hey, the 3S characters are probably going to dominate more than Ryu ever will in this game.

[Stay_Crispy]

Stay Crispy = Scrub (1.)

Ref.

1.See last 119 pages of ignorant bullshit.

smiley face

[Nitro263]

“I sent that bitch a smiley face. Bitches love smiley faces.”

[Vaarp]

Is it possible Ryu’s hurricane kick doesn’t go through fireballs anymore? [media=youtube]2xVVAzkXpCU[/media] @ 00:39

[WooooShooee13]

I still have the same viewpoint about it though, but it has to do with Ryu’s Ultra 1 being so good. Basically his Ultra 1 was good in SF4 and that’s probably not going to change. He’s getting a Metsu SRK in SSF4 and it does a lot of damage when fully connected, that’s not going to change. One decent way to land a full Ultra 2(lets say it must be in the corner) with Ryu may be enough to some players to use Ultra 2. But by selecting Ultra 2, that removes a lot of his options to land a full Ultra. Instead of worrying about things like jumping in or 2 bars, you only need to watch out for the the 2 corners of the stage.

Ok here it is. His second ultra could be setup from anti-air or counter like rufus’ new ultra…notice they aren’t complaining? Also, the advantage of selecting the second ultra is that you no longer need to dedicate bars to FADC in hopes of ultra, you can focus on all the other ridiculous things ryu can do with meter.

That’s a pretty big advantage if you ask me.

Complaining about tiers = scrub.

Says the tier whore, heh.

[System_1]

Being a “Ryu” player, I wish he had the medium forward kick like in SF Alpha 3.

[Stay_Crispy]

Says the tier whore, heh.

Tier whore? Me? The guy who mained Gief in ST for about 10 years? You don’t know about me young’n.