imo, 6 4 ryu, thanks to OS dp/tatsu. 7 3 akuma, one kd from a good vortex akuma = HELL
i mean players who know the match up and have good Yomi. Akuma has way better reversal and his infamous vortex (and Rose has little defense against it). Rose depends on gimmicks a lot in this match up, once the Akuma player knows all her tricks and how to shut down them, he has advantage.
Akuma has better footsies because his speed of movement. And of course, teleport can help him to scape from some wake up mix up. On top of that, Rose has little option selects to put pressure over him (AFAIK).
i think Rose only can win in a reliable basis against Akuma if he doesnt know the match up. Opinion, of course, im by no means a high level Rose player.
Against Ryu… more of the same. Compare Ryus damage options against Rose. IF the Ryu player is smart, he can either out turtle her or rushdown her (with safe crossups followed with mix ups that can finally combo into ultra; or OS).
nah, she is f****d up, we all know that at this moment.
serious? cuz that’s the one flip I really watch out for. and you can soul throw akuma (and gouken) out of that easier than other characters air specials (except Cammy’s hooligan). don’t even need EX. Just never throw fireballs from full screen unless matching theirs.
so 6-4 ryu because you always backdash on wakeup?
and 7-3 akuma because all his flip flopping is “unavoidable”?
Don’t get me wrong, Luffy, I know you’re good. But you gotta really think about how those options shouldn’t be any huge problem to your game. Worst case scenario: Pull some desperation move out and hope to retaliate or escape. even jumping will prevent both a grab, and akuma being able to combo from dive kick.
First off, Akuma is the king of gimmicks. Tiger Knee fireball? And his vortex is only different from Fuerte’s just because he can tie in air fireballs and has easy cross-ups. You’re sounding like Luffy with that “Once an Akuma player knows all her tricks he can shut her down” business. Same can be said of Rose against Akuma, really.
Secondly, just because (some of) Akuma’s footsies are faster doesn’t make them better. For all you know, it’s just lag that allows Akuma to sweep you when you went for a sf.HK after s.MK.
Possible lag issues aside, the poke game really boils down to who has frame advantage along with how you’re mixing up pokes (if at all should you attempt to bait DP).
Say an Akuma player tries sweeping you. That starts in 6 frames. But this was after you hit him with sf.LK which leaves you at +2 frames. I’m pretty sure that means you’re able to “safely” poke him with a move like sf.MP which has 7 frames of startup. Considering your frame advantage, that should mean you’ve got 5 frames for sf.MP to come out instead of the full 7, which effectively acts as a counterpoke to his sweep attempt by 1 frame.
Also looking through the data, I’ve learned that, according to what I think frame advantage means, when I poke Akuma with a sf.MK followed by sf.HK, it is never “sweep safe”. sf.MK leaves me at +2 on hitting, but sf.HK starts in 9 frames which means 7 frames of start up for sf.HK vs his 6 frame sweep, after being hit or not.
So it wasn’t lag after all, IJDK!
But since Akuma’s far roundhouse comes out in 7 frames, it is always Akuma patented combo safe.
Anyway, that was just one example of mixing up your pokes and how it can be beneficial against a character with fast attacks. Especially if they only have 850 health. A counter-hit far roundhouse is gonna hurt them. Probably just as much as Rose getting SRK’d.
In conclusion: Rose’s poke game is her mix up. If you’re in a DP character’s face, you understand that threat as much as they understand the consequence of whiffing it.
No, the prob isnt because it stuffs me, but if Ryu can shut down the backdash option, knowing that against a safe jump, u have 2 options (backdash, block); you’ll be forced to block, meaning you are entering ryu’s mixup game.
If everything could be solved by blocking, every matchup in the game would be 5 5…
Metro are you gonna force me to master Gouki so I can show you the power of the demon vortex?
Don’t make me do it.
Please do, I always find it funny how metroxylon tries the YJDK card on the better player shere when they say that Rose is lacking. While he obiously doesnt know the benefits other characters have.
How can something be even if they can mix-up you up to hell, safely, while Rose has no reversal at all. Btw, dive kicks can be soul thrown but they can be DP’ed too, a good Akuma makes sure you are in stun while doing one.
Do it. I’d love to see you attempt playing a character that requires skill 
Acku stop your fucking trolling.
uhhhh. Metro seriously? How do you define skill?
The amount of time it takes to master a character or bring out their potential? Because in that regard Sagat is way ahead of Rose. Rose is pretty fuckin simple. Nothing wrong with that, but you shouldn’t say ignorant things like that if you don’t play a character that requires alot of dedication in the lab to become good with.
Rose DOES take alot of effort to t get wins with, but that’s because she is lacking not because it takes WHOAMGWTFBBQ levels of skill to get good with her.
Most of the times when I’m fighting sim he waits for the fireball, which he then follows up with air teleport bb combo.
exactly. Execution wise, Rose is pretty simple. No complicated cancels and links (other than the quite easy to plink cr LK, cr MP), no long combos with strict timing…
thats something that annoys me, now im having a hard time learning basic stuff with other chars because i expended too much time playing with Rose and her simple gameplay :wasted:
mastering Rose takes a lot of time (matches) because you need to know very well every match up, spacing, inteligent zoning, and her tricks and gimmicks, but thats all.
Completely agree. But IMO that’s the beauty of rose: you spend time learning something that really matter ( and can be exported to other character, event game) (i.e. outsmarting your opponent). instead of learn links and timing that are character specific.
Yeah, 4 months ago… i had 0 footsies, so i played ryu a little to get an idea of it… then came back to Rose, it was better ;).
You have to learn that with every character, on top of needing technical mastery. Some characters depend more on matchup experience than others (by design), but in Rose’s case she is simply lacking.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying she’s trash, but a lot of your experience is going to be in working around her shortcomings. Yes, this happens with most characters, but she has few advantages to balance out her shortcomings.
Compare to Guile, another simple character but who depends much less on matchup experience. His base zoning game needs only a few tweaks to work on pretty much anyone, with the exception of a few matchups where he has to drastically change his gameplan. That’s beacuse his zoning is actually solid (weakness is wakeup), but Rose doesn’t have a similar pillar on which to build her gameplay and has to improvise.
hey Luffy, i heard you won a tournament this weekend, congratulations man!
Rose powa 
Yeah he won the Bushido Impact 10th edition the last Sunday. He crushed each top french player on the single tournament. And he won the Tag tournament alos with me.
Luffy is NASTY hehe, u guys can be proud to have this player in u’r army
Thanks! Yeah i won a major tourney in France 2 days ago, both on single and double.
I’m happy coz i’ve beat some players who i’ve never beat before, and were consistently beating me haha.
Still, i had some hard time against chun and honda, i have to learn those matchup for the future.
The videos will be up during this week i think, i’ll up it on my youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Luffy94
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Good stuff Luffy. Congratz! I wish I was that good…
Yeah, he beat Aliuone’s ASS. Well, he clearly didn’t know the match. Let Luffy get away with so much stuff. It’s all good though. Luffy is easily top 3 in France right now.
you know what? im telling the same thing to some people from my country, and they say me i have no idea, Alioune knowed the match up, Sagat has little advantage against Rose, blah blah blah :annoy:
i would like you to explain them one thing or two :karate: