If they buff her zoning/offense by a good chunk; I can live with her weak defense. We have for how long?
@Zangief: What do you mean about safe wakeup options? If you mean reversal, we shouldn’t have one. No reversal is safe without spending meter except for Rose’s U2 in Super to my knowledge.
We do still have a great backdash and blocking, but admittedly Option Selects get around that somewhat.
The list of buffs is already a little ‘meh’ to begin with. Not what I was hoping for, not even a single buff I wanted but at least it was something.
But after seeing all the buffs that other characters are getting, I’m feeling a little cheated as a Rose player.
Her list looks very bleak compared to a lot of the other (non top tier) characters.
I don’t understand how ppl think roses SSpiral doing the same damage as guiles spinning back hand is okay. And he’s not overpowerd our special is just weak but yet ppl like to sit here a swear her damage is fine 
an rejoyce over minimal buffs instead of trying to get some better buffs like better damage on spirals, a better reversal, better FA etc the list goes on.
Her offense should be fine for the most part. At least we should be able to use U2 in combos again. The lack of a reliable reversal has been her largest weakness by far since Vanilla. Have we lived with it? Sure but not without trying to get it remedied by suggesting tweaks which lead to U2 in the first place.
Seeing the tweaks for the other characters makes it seem like there’s a newbie kid developer in charge of her character design or something lol.
Even with the low placement on the tier list, she doesn’t have many impossible matches. It’s just she doesn’t have a lot of matches in her favor either. I’d be glad to play a bunch of 4.5 and some 4’s then even ONE 3-7 matchup. Rose as is is HARD but not IMPOSSIBLE. Would you guys really want to trade places with someone like sim. I mean he has decent amount of matches in his advantage considering his placement. But the fact that sim yun/ sim abel/ sim divekick matchups exist makes it shitty as hell to be someone who mains sim.
TL;DR version: Be happy with what you get. Work with what you have. Don’t be greedy.
I was thinking mainly better zoning tools but their already good, but if made better might be alright. But Your right that it does seem like we get the short end of the stick here. I look at Juri and can’t help but be like “WTF man!?” Same with Ryu.
While I see your point and acknowledge the match-ups aren’t as bad, it doesn’t really change much. Everything Rose does, someone else does better. She might not have the worst match-ups, but she doesn’t have the best either. She isn’t a good character right now overall.
And quite frankly after having a Mediocre to bad character since Vanilla, I don’t think we can be too greedy!
She is? i didn’t think there was an AE tier list
we don’t have to be too greedy but capcom is being to careful on buffing rose. Look what they did from super to AE with the new characters. They extremely buffed them while rose got nerfed, resulting in making her VERY weak. Now not only does A LOT of them (super cast) are getting MORE buffs that are significant, but the original cast are also getting some of their tools back and in addition are getting more stuff that can be extremely useful. Of course we got some buffs and no nerfs which is a good thing but they are meaningless compare to the others. She is still not “competitively playable” IMO if they let her like that it wouldn’t surprise me to see going from mid tier to bottom tier
does anyone in japan even play rose? i mean if a shit load of people complained surely they may think twice?
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But if she did would anyone complain? These minor buffs combined with god tiers getting nerfed, will help her. Her problems IMO are still Balrog, Bison, and Sagat and potentially anyone else who got buffed a lot in this version. I think she’ll be fine against Honda this time.
It wasn’t hard at all to grab people with Super U2 hitboxes out. Not at all hard to at all. Big or small, Rose can grab people easily with her throw range + Super Hitbox of U2.
Don’t be greedy for simply asking for a reversal? I think that’s fairly reasonable considering the other buff characters got over the course of 4 updates. It’s pretty sad we’re still asking for a viable meter reversal on wakeup after 3 updates.
But if you guys think the stuff she got is great so far, that’s fine by me. I still think her “buffs” are still just fluff to hide both her still shitty defensive options after a knockdown and her already non damaging offensive tools. Cause we’re still wasting a bar to connect Soul spiral for what others get off a easier combo and using less meter. That’s a bar that could go to a reversal or you know…EX spark.
She doesnt need EX Soul Spiral to be invincible if they change U2 back to how it was. I hate how this game has encouraged people to just throw shit out on wakeup. At least with U2 your opponent can see you have it and respect it, possibly not pressure her so much off a knockdown. And if you use it on wakeup, it’s not like they’re eating a ton of chip or damage, even in a combo. Those of you not wanting U2 back are simply worried that more people will start using her. When she had it no one really used her anyway. Who doesn’t want their character to be really good? The best Rose IMO is Super Rose with Vanilla sweep and Soul Piede. Any other buffs she gets are icing on the cake. She’s completely viable in the hands of a solid player. So if we sort of get U2 back, it’ll be enough for me.
it isn’t because we don’t want ppl to play her we don’t the developers to use super U2 as a cop out instead of giving her some real buffs that we have been asking for since vanilla. Especially since it seemslike they wont/can’t do both.
shes barely tourney viable in AE. WHyis this even a discussion? Anton also likes to torture himself, he’d be happy with any small buffs Rose got. lol
How about if everyone on these forums send a message to ono on twitter asking if the can go over rose changes again. It make not change anything but at least we tried doing someting
With big hitboxes, it makes weaving with U2 unviable. I want my orbs to blow up at the LAST SECOND. I don’t even care if i lose the chip damage opportunity and the orbs fizzle out. I want the orbs there so they don’t press buttons. And if they do push buttons, THAT’S when i want the orbs to punish them along with a free combo.
I’m not saying that I don’t want the EX SPIRAL to be fully invulnerable. I would love that more than anything. I think it’s absolutely retarded that my EX SPIRAL should lose to EX SPD, EX TORNADO, EX SPD from SETH, CHUN LI’s sweep all during messed up frame traps. I made the right read. They fucked up the frame trap timing. I should be get the punish. Instead, they randomly fuck me up. This all happened within one night at a local arcade where a lot of top so cal guys come(i’m still so salty).
I kind of gave up on asking for them to buff rose’s fireball or ST. Even if they improve the recovery of the fireball by 6 frames, it’ll changes the move from terribad into horrishit. Oh man. What a buff.:tup::tup:
If they give me the invul, i’ll be happy. If they don’t i’m still fine since they nerfed the trinity + akuma.
The thing is that I dont look only at the trinity + akuma ONLY. Ok they got nerfed. But I still want Rose to be at the level of the other characters. Cody, Guy etc…they are all getting up in the ranks and power. Since vanilla to super to AE, I never saw Rose with a big list of changes and I think it would be nice for once…
Perhaps they’re buffing cody and guy to get more people interested in them. Especially since it seems like they’ll be in sf x tekken.
I was looking at the dev blogs again…I felt QQing a bit…I wrote on capcom-unity…maybe they will notice my message and they will get the revelation of their life that Rose is in the game…anyways I wrote this:
Feel free to leave a note there if you want too…
http://www.capcom-unity.com/street_fighter/go/thread/view/7411/28084821/SSF4:_AE_re-balance_thread.?pg=30