Rose Moveset and Attributes

System_1 · February 26, 2009, 10:15pm

Her soul throw is beaten very easily unless the jump was predicted, ex soul throw gets eaten as well a lot of the times.

there are good things though!

I am in love with her dash and throw range! It took my a while but her lp reflector makes shotos cry when I get a super 15 seconds into the match

RagingStormX · February 26, 2009, 11:12pm

yflow:

Soul Throw isn’t a very good anti-air attack. Unless you can predict the jump, you’ll usually end up being hit out of it.
Soul Spiral isn’t a very good move overall. It’s Rose’s best move to combo into, but it isn’t safe at all, and throwing it out without having it confirmed first is asking for trouble.
Soul Spark is a terrible fireball. The start up and recovery on all versions is pretty unforgiving, and I’ve found that if you combo into it and even hit your opponent with it, they can reverse into super/ultra and make you pay.
Reflect has very strict timing, and isn’t really practical from close distances unless you can predict the fireball coming. Since you can only really use it from almost a full screen’s distance, any opponent with a brain can effectively counter it.
Rose has no good anti-air attacks in general. C.HP is her only one, and the range on it is severely lacking. Since the recovery time is very unforgiving, I find myself sometimes baited into it with an empty jump-in and punished by an ultra.
Rose has nothing on wake-up. You can EX-Drill if you have meter, but that’s not a very good attack, considering that the invincibility is very short and she can be jabbed out of it.
There is no real way to land Rose’s ultra outside of after a focus attack. It can be used as anti-air sometimes, but the timing on this is quite sporadic, and I get blocked more often than not. It’s not very good for punishing fireballs, even if you predict them coming out, because the end result is usually being hit out of it by the fireball.
There aren’t very many ways to land her super either. You can juggle after HP Reflect, but good luck getting one of those in with the range on that thing.
Rose’s normals are pretty ranged, but the recovery isn’t really great on them, meaning that when someone jumps over it, I whiff and have to block the jump-in. This way I’m stuck dealing with the mix-up that follows.

In lieu of all this, I hereby officially resign from Rose. The lady is not for me.

gets up from the table

Yeah she was like that is Alpha 2. And Alpha 3. You ever play Rose before lol? Soul throw always sucked. EX soul throw beats everything.

My little bit to add, NEVER random ultra. Even point blnak they can just jump and combo your ass. True story.

RagingStormX · February 26, 2009, 11:18pm

lp reflect adds 4 points of damage to a fireball each time, max of 108. Resets after fb is throwns

RagingStormX · February 26, 2009, 11:53pm

Close s.rh work as excellent anti air, way better than c.fp and less recovery, f+hk and c.mk both avoid cross ups and anti air as well from afar.

yflow · February 27, 2009, 12:07am

Ha, actually, no. I wasn’t really into the Alpha series.

The_Osprey · February 27, 2009, 12:49am

I can’t seem to find the base damage anywhere, but regardless this is pretty sweet. Does the damage add to ex-fireball as well?

RagingStormX · February 27, 2009, 1:20am

Yes it does xD

Shinkuu_Tatsumaki · February 27, 2009, 2:35am

How the heck does that work? Everytime I tried it I only get the far HK.

Nvm… You have to be like right under them.

Saqs · February 27, 2009, 2:51am

Yeah. I dont think its a reliable AA at all but to each his own

HirumaNC · February 27, 2009, 3:06am

Good call on the close S.RH.

Really need to test it I guess, s.RH comes out pretty fast (faster than c.fp & s.fp I think? Way less recovery) but have to be really close otherwise it becomes the long poke. Need a little bit practice on timing if use as a on reaction AA, if you kick too soon you will get the wrong kick and open to combo. If it have better priority than s.mp, then it will become pretty sweet AA. It hits the hardest out of all Rose’s normals BTW.

Damn you Capcom give us Rose’s frame data =(

Windsagio · February 27, 2009, 3:18am

Gonna do the annoying point by point thing, with some personal observations >>

I find it helps alot if you modify which version you use. If they like to attack really late, jab throw can be a pretty good option, if they attack early, the fierce one works well. At least that’s my experience.

I think I ONLY use it in combos >> Even if I see a FA, I’m more likely to try to throw.

The jab one is good, imo. Its niiiiice… and… slooooow. You can use it well to tick people getting up, and to set up a few other cool tricks (with FA cancels, or your super). The fierce one is simply terrible, I’ll agree on that. And you should combo into soul drill!

I do wish it was just a BIT faster. Especially against guile, its a nightmare to try to use.

For me at least, I find myself often using her slide to go under jump attacks, and then going for a throw when they totally whiff. Maybe I’m not good enough and not fighting good enough people, but it works pretty damn well. Also, I’m not pretending its great, but I really do think you’re really underestimating the soul throw. Its not freebee AA like some moves, but its useful against some characters.

Gotta agree; unless the opponent whiffs an ultra or does something stupid (like tatsu’ing from across the screen, say) its pretty hard to use. I have one cool trick that works against alot of 'giefs… jab.soul spark xx fadc, ultra when they lariat the spark.

About her super, I actually like it over most of her EX moves. Bait someone into FA’ing or jumping over a jab spark at max range, and you can usually get them to eat it for free (timing dependant of course).

her slide is seriously awesome. slide at max range, then s.mk when they try to punish… Etc.

Shinkuu_Tatsumaki · February 27, 2009, 6:08am

Damn… Watching A2 vids, maybe Rose’s EX Soul Throw shoulda been like her Alpha counter. Allowing you to combo afterwards.

Rukuss2k · February 27, 2009, 3:41pm

Even though its still technically after an FA, you can cancel EX Soul Spark into FA and land the ultra. This is part of her Hard trial.
Her super is actually pretty easy to get out considering you can just cancel a Soul Spiral into it.

Shinkuu_Tatsumaki · February 28, 2009, 12:32am

I’m pretty sure her slide is safe at max range.

Unless I’m just to slow on hitting her back. Even Balrog’s jabs won’t reach at max range.

edit: Slide at max range also links into c.MP.

purifyweirdsoul · February 28, 2009, 12:44am

Yeah, slide is one of the best things going for her. I’ve had good results with slide > throw.

NinjaCW · February 28, 2009, 2:27am

I would say slide is a good move but not to be abused. I mostly use it from max range because even though it’s stated that it is punishable I have yet to ever be punished for doing it unless I hit a button after a blocked slide. Is Drill punishable too cause I have only been punished for doing it really close (and that’s usually an accident) because if I do it from close to tip through tip range I can back dash away from normals and close specials.

edit
How many people from here that use Rose in SFIV actually get punished for doing a tip range (or close to tip range) Drill get punished for doing so (by any attack)?

Windsagio · February 28, 2009, 1:27pm

from what I’ve seen, a true max range is ‘effectively safe’. Some people can punish it, but its really few frames, and if spaced properly really long range. The problem I have with it, is that theres stuff that just beats it, if they see it coming.

NinjaCW · February 28, 2009, 7:46pm

IMO you don’t even “see” the slide coming unless you do in some type of patter (i.e., c.sk,c.sk,c.sk, slide). I’ll see what kind success I have offline with my tactics lol.

catbond · February 28, 2009, 9:53pm

Has anyone tried EX Reflect as a “Get Offa Me!” reversal on wakeup? I’m at work so I won’t be able to try it out.

Shinkuu_Tatsumaki · February 28, 2009, 9:58pm

It gets stuffed. Ex Soul Spiral is your best reversal.