Roll Cancel is Useless?

[Shin-Chan]

Magneto c.lk has one frame start, and thats common knowledge. spirals teleport or Sentinel unfly out of AHVB have both 1 frame each, and some people can do it easily. It doesnt matter what your eyes are, or your ears. What matters is that you get used to the timing.
If you try to stop a clock at 0,000 whatever, youll be able to do it often if you practice it enough. You will not react to what your eyes see, but you will learn the timing where you can press the button and get it right by anticipation. if you doi always counting back from ten, you probably wont even need to look at the watch after a while.
Fighting game are more about anticipation then reaction,m and missing frames can change a lot of some games (play on MAME on some game that youre really good and youll see it).

that what I was trying to explain… that 1 frame is there… and make huge diference!!!

we are all 3 newbs here

I agre… 2 of us have some vision to rise! the other one… oh well… think he is the best of the world =pp

[azis]

wtf? I thought this was supposed to be about roll cancel and if its useful or not.

azis u said that if u roll cancel that means u have time to roll or sum shit like that?

to do roll cancel u have to tap roll while doing the move! so the out come would be the same except u have some invincibilty so u wont get counterd or punished.

Thanks.

All discussion about frames started because I said: You need to roll then cancel (it wouldnt be a roll cancel if there was no roll). I know RC is done by taping roll then instantly a button, while doing the movement, there is no time to think. You dont see the rolling animation most of the times, but it is there.

But, you cant roll before Wake up as you do with Shoryuken, instantly, it comes from the ground. You cant Get up rolling. So, in the history in the begining about Kuwabaras Shinkuu-Hadouken and Shins RC Hadouken to evade the Shinkuu-Hadouken was about the best solution, that was not RC Hadouken, because it has a Recovery time, Shin could just roll and do more damage than RC Hadouken.

If Kuwabara landed the Super before, Shin would be dead.

To test and see if Wake up rolling is truly impossible you can try to Evade Shinkuu-Hadouken, Chun-lis Hyakuretsu Super, or a Bisons c.HK.

Thats all.

[azis]

Oh, i didnt say my Vega is the best, Shin said. I said Im proud of my Vega. Everybody is proud of ones best character.

And what has the Rock s.HK to deal with the issue? If you read some posts before, you will see that I dont attack when the opponent is waiting, when somebody said something like “If he truly jumps a lot, RC Torpedos will crush him”.

Please, read before posting.

[azis]

Strange… Shin always think he is the best and better than me, even withou brain. Rise your vision, then Ill send you to hell again.

Even more strange than it, is that everytime Kuwabara posts, Shin posts soon, I think they live together as Wife and Husband…

And judging by the time, it is more than midnight in pacific standard time, maybe they like to use the internet before going bed after their wildsex nights.

[Shin-Chan]

But, you cant roll before Wake up as you do with Shoryuken, instantly, it comes from the ground. You cant Get up rolling. So, in the history in the begining about Kuwabaras Shinkuu-Hadouken and Shins RC Hadouken to evade the Shinkuu-Hadouken was about the best solution, that was not RC Hadouken, because it has a Recovery time, Shin could just roll and do more damage than RC Hadouken

U had tryed to do thateven once? actually udidnt see the situation, But I am sure(kuwabara too) that if I made da ROll, his Ryu would recover faster then my froll finished, then who would take more damage would be me… and I hadnt any life… neither for take a hadouken… so… can utell me again… why rolling is bether then RC in this exatly situation?

If Kuwabara landed the Super before, Shin would be dead.

He did that timing…(Why u insist in nothing?) but I could do Roll cancel!.. U even know that if a blanka know u down, he get near of u and RC eletric, u can escape with a RC?

When u learn how to perform RC u try and u will see… simple…

[Shin-Chan]

Oh, i didnt say my Vega is the best, Shin said. I said Im proud of my Vega. Everybody is proud of ones best character.

uhn… Im sorry… if u actually didnt… so… can u explain this???

“”"I think Shin was trying to put this link for you, where Justin Wong punishes Manuel, instead of being punished:

http://www.zachd.com/mvc2/mwc/Manue...0Justin%20W.mpg

So, that is truly my Vega!"""

Maybe i didrun fron school… but that means u r comparing urself to wong right?

Strange… Shin always think he is the best and better than me, even withou brain. Rise your vision, then Ill send you to hell again.

again??? when was the first time?

Even more strange than it, is that everytime Kuwabara posts, Shin posts soon, I think they live together as Wife and Husband…
And judging by the time, it is more than midnight in pacific standard time, maybe they like to use the internet before going bed after their wildsex nights.

oh no… he discoverd… again trying to beat how my life is… how wonderfull he is… his husbund must be proud!
… .again… lost in words… now saying just ofences cause he cant win in words… just useless…

[vkuwabara]

Strange… Shin always think he is the best and better than me, even withou brain. Rise your vision, then Ill send you to hell again.

Even more strange than it, is that everytime Kuwabara posts, Shin posts soon, I think they live together as Wife and Husband…

And judging by the time, it is more than midnight in pacific standard time, maybe they like to use the internet before going bed after their wildsex nights.

:lame:
now you’re bothering me.
Every post around this time (1 am here) is because I’m online. I always post first and then I tell him to read it (by MSN).

just go lick your cat’s ass. I hope your cat mess up your ps2 again :party:

[Shin-Chan]

just go lick your cat’s ass. I hope your cat mess up your ps2 again

[azis]

When u learn how to perform RC u try and u will see… simple…

Impossible! Shoryuken or others without RC yes, but RC moves impossible!

[azis]

“”"I think Shin was trying to put this link for you, where Justin Wong punishes Manuel, instead of being punished:

http://www.zachd.com/mvc2/mwc/Manue...0Justin%20W.mpg

So, that is truly my Vega!"""

That was later, and was a Joke.

again??? when was the first time?

The first time was 10 x 2 for me, with lack of challenge by my opponent. No pleasure, fear or some adrenaline.

[Shin-Chan]

The first time was 10 x 2 for me, with lack of challenge by my opponent. No pleasure, fear or some adrenaline.

U mean… that time when I was just trying to use the first tiem used skills I trained? I didnt feltlike hell at all… really, I felt like a circus… will not explain now… but its fine to me know…

Impossible! Shoryuken or others without RC yes, but RC moves impossible!

Done! Thts ends the conversation, that only shows ur lack knowledge bout RC… I could show u lots of RC exatly like that… but I just got that videos… to much ones… Kuwabara can show u some… soem easy exemples that even u would understand! Like Wake up RC eletric beating RC eletric… Hubikis RC(run slash) scaping from RC eletric… simples…quite simple…

[vasAZNion13]

PLEASE stop.

[Ducky]

All of you just shut up. You guys make my head hurt with your stupidity.

[Alphastorm]

I love the broken english.

[MalignantMouse]

is this azis guy serious? he sounds like he’s been practicing vs. cpu too much.

[System_1]

Well, Im Azis from Brazil as Shin and Kuwabara, it is from me that they were talking about, hello everybody, Ill try to be short and clean everytime.

As you can see, the question and topic name was made to destroy me, because they cant destroy me in game, the last results is Azis 10 x 0 Kuwabara and Azis 10 x 2 Shin. A Humiliation, even with they using lots of roll cancel.

My Vega (Claw, this will be a default), is not a jumping-crazy and throw. It is the best Vega I ever saw in videos, of course Ill not send my videos to you, my techniques will remain hide unless I go to an EVO someday. Imagine a Vega like a Sentinel, controling the air and the ground spaces as it was the owner of the game, and it is, wich abuses the speed and control every move you make, waiting your reaction, you are never safe, no pocking, no air attack, and with a very good defense, abusing also from the C groove air guard. Thats me. Im proud of it, that is true. :encore:

about the useless: I was saying about me, for my characters (most of time Vega, Sagat, Blanka) RC is almost useless because I play a different style, wich make me able to have time to punish you with greater damages. By the way, I know how to perform a RC and I can use it sometimes.

Lets do it:
I consider roll cancel as a tactical counter-attack (thats why I classify it like a defense techinique, just definitions) when you dont have time to roll and attack, the friends said sometime of a Kuwabaras Shinkuu-Hadouken in Shin before his wakeup that should kill him in the guard.

Lets analise the situation: Shin made a RC Hadouken, just a small damage. If it was a Shinkuu Hadouken, you could Simply roll through and Punish him, because you HAVE this time. Why the RC was possible? Because HE HAD TIME to perform a roll. RC is not possible if you cant roll ( it would be not a roll cancel if therre was no roll to cancel, You must cancel the roll in the first 2 or 3 frames to perform the roll cancel, if you dont, the move you not achieve the invencibility frames). So, if Kuwabara made a Shinkuu-Hadouken a little before, Shin would be dead.

What is the point:
Characters with torpedos are the MOST used as roll cancel attacking techniques. Why are they good? Because they pass through all the sreen very fast, and pass trough fireballs and others because they stil have the invencibility frames that they achieved. It is great if your opponent uses distant fireballs, what i think it is not a godd technique, because with a 3/4 screen of distance from the opponent, what is a fireball? Something to you jump (unless it is sonic boom)!
Other characters, like Ken and Hibiki (no torpedos) can RC like defense techiniques, specially after combos finished with projectiles like c.mk->Hadouken or the c.hk->Kachou-sen, when you cant roll and attack.

So, RC techniques must be used carefully, most of people use it only against fireballs, that is very easy to do, but I dont have fireballs, so you must think in another way to get me with a RC. It is like parry, everybody can parry a hadouken, not everybody can parry a Chun-lis Special.
You must think in bigger damages, not only a simple Hadouken (wich mantain the character on his feet and you cant do more pressure later) or Shoryuken, so, you must SEE the game, READ the mind, if the carachter will throw a hadouken or a Sonic boom, THIS is the time to approach a little before, then superjump on it, even for guile, because this time when he throws the sonic boom he dont have the Flash kick and you get him comencing the jump or in the ground throwing the sonic boom, if you wait more, he will throw a anti-air punch s.mp or c.hp. In other characters that arent Guile, you can punish them after your air attack, with much mre damage than torpedos attacks.

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About the torpedos and roll cancel hint for my Vega: Of course ill not just jump on my opponent, specially if he is charging his torped move, Im not a dumb, and it is not only for torpedos characters, but for everybody, a Zangief with a bar could punish me with his anti-air special, or a Simple Tiger uppercut, Shoryuken, Sagat s.HK, this moves could solve the problem, no need for a RC. But, pay attention, Ill not jump on you if you are waiting for me to do it, im not a dumb, MIND GAME, pressure and variations are the WORDS. Got it?
Dont you thought it would be that easy, with just RC torpedos, did you? :rolleyes:
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I know that kinda Balrog. My Balrog and this other guy in North Carolina have the similar Balrog’s. When he plays his Balrog against other people then the opponents go like. Lamont’s gotta cheat with Balrog again. LOL

K-Groove was first place before in a CVS2 tourney and K-Groove beat roll cancel teams, etc.

[caliagent_3]

what the hell was this thread about. I just decided to look through it and i come in to see some crazy shit lol

[System_1]

lol,me too.

first off you guys need to chill and take whoevers advice it was and SHUT THE FUCK UP. truthfully ya boy sounds kinda ignorant,but hes on his exctasy because he beat you two. and hes thinking hes all up there and nothing you say will matter. i know people like that. until i upped my game and raped some fool,he was never cool at all. never even told me how to ROLL. just raped my chars and laughed. of course i fucked him up for it though,but thats not the point. point is: after you start raping this bitch he’ll be ALL OVER YOUR DICK LATER!

everything you say to him will be gold.

btw,this friendship ya have going on is straight fake.

soon you’ll realize it and put the sticks down-and put the fists up

[newplayer]

When u just start train to use rc, it seem quite useless.

when u master the rc move, then it is quite fun to use.

when u can rc in ur normal strategy and combo, it is extremely useful.

These just my experience when learning rc.

[Dentron]

it hurts my brain reading this thread.