Rochester, NY Thread (Spring 04/05)

Grats Jon.

What’s up Bobby?

Can’t complain about life so far, G. Got a job, but looking for a better one. Still with the same GF and we’re looking at getting hitched around October of next year.

FR9 = Final Round 9. It’s the South’s major. Kinda like how the east has ECC, the west has Evo, etc.

Admittedly I haven’t been to EGS in a while, but it probably hasn’t changed much since last time I stopped by a meeting: people playing either smash bros, stuff they could easily play by themselves in the comfort of their dorm/apartment/whatever (RPGs, FPS, etc.), and possibly soul calibur 3. Tony brings cvs2 along sometimes, but nobody will play with him.

Every meeting more or less fosters an anti-social atmosphere in which you can’t feel welcome without already knowing some people on eboard, who not only make no effort to promote the competitive spirit, but believe such a thing to be “unfaithful to the true purpose of video games” or some crap like that. You know, because if you take a game too seriously, you’re not having fun anymore. :stuck_out_tongue:

Not that there isn’t any merit to the thought that games can be played solely for entertainment, but when it’s easier to find competition through the internet than through an on-campus organization dedicated to video gaming, I really don’t have any reason to head over there on a regular basis.

They’re disorganized, lazy, don’t know how to keep the interest of their members, and thanks to SG’s policies there’s nothing I can do that would recieve any official sanction. Then again, from what I hear, the competitive gaming scene at RIT is more or less dead, so I guess it can’t be that much of a loss.

</frustrated banter>

Oh shit, EGS is in shambles. Bring back Dipstick!!! What’s he been up to anyways?

Psychoprog, I noticed you live in Hackensack when you’re not in Rochacha. You know Chibi at all by any chance?

I’ve been playing around with Sol in Slash. The Dust Loop is gone, but he got this new move called Sidewinder that’s kinda like an aerial Fafnir. It’s got some crazy bounce properties if you get a “clean hit”. Fun stuff. He traded one loop in for another.

Dipstick? As in, Steve? I see him at EGS sometimes, but I’m pretty sure he’s not on eboard anymore, if he ever was.

Heh, Chibi lives right down the street from me, actually. We know each other pretty well.

What a small world.

Jon, you eloped and ran off to Amsterdam? That is bloody brilliant! Proud I am, and damn my families cuz I can’t get away w/that.

Brad, I kept forgetting to post to ask if you were checking out Sol actually, since I remember you dropped him in #R and I enjoyed player your XX Sol. How does the Sidewinder work? Also, did you play the Jersey guys? Are your Dizzy traps still working or is she noticably worse? Bridget is a hard win for me so far but I’m enjoying Slayer’s newfound mobility. His new IAD is a lotta fun.

Ira’s in Boston and was going to that anime show so he’s prolly gonna be schmoozing it up with Dipstick.

Phil Jonson

Xerlicc

Hi :d

Chibi you are all over the internet D:

Over break we should play with kevin!? I should be home the entire week after ECC.

sounds good to me.

:d

CUT ZEE LETTUSS

ALSO:

You have my copy of Super Mario Kart and I have yours.

:open_mouth:

Sup Chibi. Sorry I couldn’t show at your Hackensack tourney. Mother’s Day and all. I’ll do my best to be at the next monthly tho.

Dipstick = Steve. And he shows up to EGS? You sure we’re talking about the same person, cuz I was pretty sure that Steve left Rochester and never looked back once he graduated.

Oh, how’s Ira been?

Hey Bobby, what’s up man? What’d you think about this year’s E3? There’s a lot of cool stuff coming out. I’m really tempted to pickup a 360 just to play Dead Rising. I’ve been hearing a lot of good things about that game. I know I don’t need to tell you what Dave thinks. =P What with a new SSB game, Metroid, Zelda, Mario Galaxy… Haha, I do think that Nintendo stole the show, though. Despite it’s dumb name, I’m really looking forward to the Wii.

Sidewinder is a weird move. It looks like a Fafnir that you do in the air. Basically, when you use it you either get a normal hit or a clean hit (the game actually says Clean hit). On a clean hit you’ll get this huge huge wall bounce and you can continue to juggle and even loop it. On a normal hit, the opponent gets knocked away but is able to tech.

To do a clean hit, from what I understand, you have to be aligned with your opponent in a certain way, plus you have to be really close to them. If you think of your hit box and your opponent’s hit box as two squares, it’s like they have to be right next to each other. The setups vary from character to character, like Johnny’s 1-hit ensegna setups.

Application-wise, it’s definitely not a replacement to Dust Loop. For one, it doesn’t do anywhere nearly as much damage. It also prorates. Just a standard GGX style air combo will do similar damage in a lot of situations. Secondly and maybe I need more practice with it, but Sidewinder combos are a lot harder to do than the Dust Loop and the risk of letting your opponent tech if you mess up is too great.

It’s not something that you’d want to do in the corner cuz the knockback throws them away and you’re at a weird angle to followup combo. Right now I only use it as a followup to his command throw at midscreen if I feel like doing something cool looking that gives a knockdown. Plus, I need to practice the more extended combos. For example, it’s easy to get a clean hit off of 623K, j.S, Sidewinder, but not so easy for 623K, s.HS, j.D, Sidewinder thanks to the added pushback of all moves in Slash.

In terms of actually playing Sol, he hasn’t changed that much. Most of your pressure is still going to come from his fast/meaty normals, Gun Flame FRCs, and Command Throw.

About Dizzy, haha. I’m still making adjustments to Slash. I’ve been working on different traps with her, mainly from using the held dagger and bubble pop crossups and less fish. I’m still trying to get a feel for what’s safe and what’s not. Still gotta get out of the habit of doing mid-screen fish. Also, I’ve been incorporating her other FRCs into my offense. 2HS FRC for pressure and 2D FRC to get a knockdown and setup okizeme. You didn’t really need 2D FRC in #R cuz you could just cancel the sweep into fish or Ice spike on hit. I wouldn’t say that Dizzy got totally worse, but I feel like she has to play more defensively to wait for an opening and capitalize off of it.

Holy crap long post. Eh, work is slow today.

Heh, like I said… haven’t been to EGS in a while.

That was an epic post the likes of which these threads haven’t seen since we were all clumped under the joyful arms of the ROC.

How many Steves were there?

B: Do you live close to NYC? Maybe we can get some game time in soon. Problem is I no longer have a place to stay…maybe I’ll get an air mattress to endure Evan/Wilson’s hard floor. Last that I slept on that…sore for days. Any chance you’re close to Ithaca? My GF wants to go visit this weekend and I’m gonna try to meet up with a crazy Korean Tekken buddy who wants GG comp.

Ira switched his major to packaging science after some counseling so he’s in the business of making boxes now. At least that how I descibe it to myself. He’s working a nice co-op by Boston and sees Carl every now and then. Carl’s gotta be abuzz. There’s something endearing about our buddies that have their souls bonded to Nintendo from childhood.

I was set on a PS3 prior but I doubt that I’m paying launch price without a drop. Those Sony machines are sketchy and this is a big hunk of new tech. I’ll wait that out and maybe get a Wii in the meanwhile too.

Thanks for the scoop on that sidewinder. I gotta get into training and play with that. Can you give me an example application of Dizzy’s held dagger? I’m curious. I gotta worry when you say that she has to look for openings more cuz my focus against your Diz was always to get in and shut you down since there wasn’t much she can do. Maybe she has more tools for that now?

Kinda annoys me how they added a buncha FRCs to the game. I think it makes the game less accessible and also harder to manage if you want to be proficient with multiple characters. Slayer got some new ones that are fairly useless, like off his ranged super and his roundhouse kick prior to activation (tho I’m having fun with the latter).

Yeah, long post here too. I just filled up on pho with C for lunch and am waiting for a product launch at work.

I’m in the NYC area. It’s about a 20 minute drive from my house to the GWB. If you stop by the area, let me know. Like I said, I’ve been meaning to drive down to see Wilson for a while. Ithaca is kinda far and is closer to Roch than where I live. =/

The held dagger makes for more crossups and bubble setups. I find it more reliable than the Laser fish cuz the stun is greater. Some applications:

Throw > 421S(hold) > dash jump > release > land behind - This is a basic crossup. The dagger hits the opponent as Dizzy jumps over them. Then you can land and go low or air dash and go high.

(in corner) 421S(hold) > ad.P, P, HS (release during this chain) > 214K - Here, if the chain connects, the dagger will pop the bubble and combo. Not possible in XX or #R. If blocked, the bubble will cause a ton of stun so you can continue the rushdown.

(downed opponent) 421S(hold) > c.P, c.K, c.HS > 236S(negative edge) FRC - Here you release the S for the input for the scythe. In XX and #R if you go from c.HS to 236S, you can just punish, but the dagger covers Dizzy. The FRC is also new, so you can continue the rushdown.

The thing is, it’s not that she has more tools. Her defense has always been her weak point. Dizzy’s power comes from her okizeme/traps when she’s on the offense. Her normals, while they do a lot of damage in combos, suck for just about everything else. Her only decent mid poke is s.K, which is crap. #R made her sweep a decent low poke and Slash took it away, unless you spend tension. She had to rely on her fish and the dagger to get in, but she can’t really do that anymore.

For example, I played Jamie’s (used to be James Austin from CT) Testament. Basically, she just turtled and set up webs and trees and tossed out random exebeast. In XX/#R, I’d notmally just toss out a HS fish which would probably trade with Exebeast, but the laser would clear all the webs. Now if I do that, exebeast on reaction would hit Dizzy but would destroy the fish also. In a situation like that, Dizzy is pretty much screwed.

What in the hell does that mean? Did James have a sex change? You manage to get the better of him? Just had to reply and ask, I have more to say but gotta attend a 3PM meeting so that’ll come later.

Oh, was playing with Ira when was was visiting and I told him Psycho was interested in playing more so Ira’s up for hitting up Roch more often but wants to get a stick now. Told him I’d dig up some options but nothing so far. Anyone recommend a stick for Ira to buy?

Yep.

How much is he looking to spend? My GGXX stick finally bit the dust, so I did a bit of shopping around myself for a new stick. I eventually just ordered one custom made, but it cost quite a bit. Not sure if he wants to take that road.

I think he’s pretty happy about cash flow, considering he was buying stuff prior to his first paycheck and was showing off his portable video player last time around. Who did you buy from? How did you customize yours? I’ll pass this on to him.

As for Jamie the girl gamer, do you know the story? Besides angsty suburban rage. Just curious since I actually met him. If he’s happy now, more power to him.

Oh, looks like Cha Cha’s suckering guys into GG in his neck of the woods. He’s up for regular Roc/Buff meetings. Phyto, since you were suggesting trips like Orbit, you up for hosting small meetings in your apt? He’d host us too, or maybe we can rotate something. You call it, my GF would not be up for hosting a pack of noisy, button mashing strangers since my mashing already keeps her up at night.

Xerlic I’ve been absurdly curious as to what the hell is up with your avatar.

Also make sure to come to my tournament next month or I’ll hate you forever~

:IO!

I’d have to clear it up with the roommates, but I don’t think it’d be a problem. I personally love the idea. D;

Dunno the details about Jamie. Josh (the Faust player from CT) told me about it when I started posting on Dustloop.com, which used to be gamecombos. I saw her at the last gathering, but didn’t mention anything. Figured it wasn’t my business, and I was just there to play some games. I figure she’s happier now, and yeah like you said more power. Gotta respect someone who has the balls to give them up.

About the stick - I’d recommend going to either Finkle or Dreaded Fist. Both have threads in the Trading section on SRK and have details on how you order and stuff. I talked to Dreaded Fist first cuz his prices were a bit cheaper, but he was busy at the time and wasn’t taking orders. So I went with Finkle. Both were really friendly and have been doing the stick thing for a long time and have lots of positive feedback.

Basically, you tell them what parts you want for the stick from this site:

http://www.akihabarashop.com/products.html

That’s where most stick builders now order from. Keep in mind, that this is the site for Japanese parts. Similar to the stuff up in Orbit. I’m pretty sure they can order stuff from Happ, but I’m not certain.

My stick has a Seimitsu LS-32 stick and Sanwa OBSF-30RG buttons. You also supply a background for the stick. Mine has a sweet picture of Dizzy lol. =p I still haven’t gotten it yet since Finkle is still waiting on the parts. Since I had to get expensive buttons, it’s taking a while. I’ve been corresponding with him via emails and he’s looking to send the stick out early next week. I’ll post pics when I get it if interested.

Chibi - Lol, my avatar is a .gif of a Jam sprite with the chicken from A link to the past. Dunno, I made it back when I registered for SRK way back in the day cuz I wanted to try out Imageready.

sigh

Hey folks - co-founder and former president of EGS here, been a long time away, but I’ve seen some very disturbing things in my years since the creation of EGS at RIT.

For whatever reason since I’ve left in 2003, no matter who has been at the helm, they’ve all shared one thing in common…ignored the original mission of EGS as defined by its founders.

As a result, it has spiraled down lower and lower to the point now where the very people it was meant to support want nothing to do with it… so sad.

Is there a solution? Maybe. EGS’s core concept was to foster competition and growth through organized socialization and focus on public demand and member satisfaction. I can see now that the current administration has reveresed that idea 180 deg. Very unfortunate. But perhaps all is not lost.

If you genuinely wish to rekindle the greatness that was once egs, people need to start making it clear that they will not participate until certain changes are made, AND that they WOULD participate IF those changes were made. believe me, i don’t care how stubborn a person is, if everyone around them is saying “we hate this, but we love that” eventually they are going to doubt the current situation.

In addition, I’ve always made it known that I wanted to be available to help guide the officers so that the focus and path is clear - need are being met, suggestions honored, and members participating in decisions. Encourage the current staff to seek me out with an open mind to how to improve things. I’ve left open invitation after open invitation and none of the officers have ever taken me up on it. Especially Dippy, who didn’t do a bad job, but was very rogue in his efforts which tended to piss off as many people as he pleased.

I do not wish to point fingers of blame, but if you all really want a great gaming and competitive environment, than start putting the pressure on. quiet mumblers do not get heard, and when enough ppl are dissatisfied to let it fail completely, then there will be NO hope - believe me, i faught claw tooth and nail to get that club to where it was, and if I had not, it would have been LONG GONE by now.

anyone who is interested to ask/find out more or what to do please IM me at “omegaapostle” on AIM, i’m not always around (busy running my own business) but if I see any egs related message, i will certainly respond.

-OA (Zach)

I know the story Gary.
You emasculated him @ Maximum Barnage in GG, end of story :lol:

But seriously, anybody got a picture of this?
Since I met the “guy” once, I’m dying to see what “she” looks like now.