Ridiculous SRK Motions (Training Mode Input Display Pics & Video)

[HeaTBlazn]

thats why when sf4 nubs try to play other sf games, they get owned.

this shit doesnt work in ST

[Leogansky]

:d: :r: :hp:? Am I seeing that right?

lololol

[noodalls]

The sequence for a an SRK is forward, down, down-forward, and for argument’s sake let’s say the execution window is 16 frames, and that you get 5 frames of leniency. The leniency window acts as a sort of buffer for when you’re in block stun, in the air or knocked down so that you can perform a move instantly.

I had a look at this for interests sake. It appears that following forward for 1 frame you then can d on frame 9, df on frame 17 and punch on f28. This is the slowest possible timing that still gives srk (except for extending the initial forward, which can be done indefinitely, obviously).

[ilitirit]

I had a look at this for interests sake. It appears that following forward for 1 frame you then can d on frame 9, df on frame 17 and punch on f28. This is the slowest possible timing that still gives srk (except for extending the initial forward, which can be done indefinitely, obviously).

28 frames? that’s absolutely ridiculous. the slowest timing in ST is 15 or 16 frames, and even then it’s not guaranteed.

[System_1]

you guys are crazy, I prefer to input :db::uf::ub::ub::df::hp: … it’s the mark of true skill :smokin:

[System_1]

Capcom we need a option to turn off short cuts…please

fuck, just take it out. SRKs were easy as pie in third strike, and specials coming out when they shouldn’t be under any circumstances hurts new players too.

[System_1]

Strange inputs that produce special moves shouldn’t come as a surprise if you consider the rules that govern execution of a Street Fighter game. These rules basically boil down to input sequence, window of execution, leniency and priority. Roughly, this is how it works:

The sequence for a an SRK is forward, down, down-forward, and for argument’s sake let’s say the execution window is 16 frames, and that you get 5 frames of leniency. The leniency window acts as a sort of buffer for when you’re in block stun, in the air or knocked down so that you can perform a move instantly.

So, if you do f, d, df and press P, you’ll get an SRK provided that the entire sequence was entered within the window of execution 16 frames, and you’re within a valid position to perform the move 5 frames after punch was pressed (in other words, you can’t do an SRK just after you’ve jumped, but you can do it 4 frames before you land it will execute as you hit the ground)

Now this is the “strange” part. It doesn’t matter what motions you enter during the window of execution provided that it contains the sub-sequence of inputs of the move you want to perform. In other words, you should theoretically be able to do f, b, d, b, df, f + p within 16 frames and get an SRK. This does not apply to motions that change your state. eg. If you press UP and don’t complete the before the character leaves the pre-jump state, you will jump instead. In the case where there are overlapping moves within the window of execution, the game selects the move which has the highest priority. Eg. Even though the sequence f, d, df, f + p contains sub-sequences for an SRK and a hadouken, the SRK will get executed because it has higher priority.

Note that even though this a simplified explanation, this is more or less how Street Fighter has worked since SFII. What is different in this iteration is the simplification of the input sequences (shortcuts), and then widening of the execution and leniency windows.

Long story short, none of these inputs that were posted are all that strange if you consider the rules. The only ones worth considering are those that have properties that can be exploited in combination with other techniques (eg. db, d, db neg edge P), or on their own.

Did you even look at the kinds of inputs he’s getting? Cause not only are you wrong, but this does nothing to explain the fucked up inputs resulting in shoryus.

[ilitirit]

Did you even look at the kinds of inputs he’s getting? Cause not only are you wrong, but this does nothing to explain the fucked up inputs resulting in shoryus.

Tell me which part you don’t understand and I’ll explain it to you. Slowly.

[slappy]

Strange inputs that produce special moves shouldn’t come as a surprise if you consider the rules that govern execution of a Street Fighter game.

It mainly “comes as a surprise” in IV because IV is way more lenient on this than other Street Fighter games.

[System_1]

lol, that down forward one is a doosy

[HawkinsT]

:d::r::hp: doesn’t work, op is obviously buffering a :r: input on the get ready screen (before it shows up on input display), doing this I could ‘prove’ :hp: by itself gives srk. And yes I even tested with macro’s.

[doyoudigworms]

fuck, just take it out. SRKs were easy as pie in third strike, and specials coming out when they shouldn’t be under any circumstances hurts new players too.

I agree, when I play SFIII or HDR I never seem to have input issues, if I do, I simply did not execute them properly. In SFIV it seems to hurt my game more then aid it, random falling skies from Able, or adding pressure with walking forward and instead of a hadoken I get a DP even after I reset to neutral.

I hope this isn’t the future of SF, or pretty soon it will be Smash Brothers.

[heiesuke]

I was wondering if there was some way to turn the shortcts off lol. They get me killed, since I’m new to the world of shortcut inputs. Never having really played SF3 of too many of the games after Alpha 3.

[parabellum]

I’m still really not sure this is a problem…if you do the correct inputs, you get the desired moves.

Personally, the only time I get the wrong move coming out (yes even for a walking hadoken) is when I get sloppy and mash.

Slight exceptions are Abel’s Falling Sky and Vipers Seismo Cancel/fake…but I’m sure if I put any real time into these characters, that would not be much of a problem.

I just hopped back into HDR, and SF4 hasn’t really made my execution in that game worse at all.

[ByR]

:df: pressed in right side with rose, i see a jump, i do a slide for change side, then i press :db: and c.Lp several times, result? sometimes i do a soul throw, when i say sometimes, i say 40%

That never happened to me in other SFs

[HNIC_Mike]

thats why when sf4 nubs try to play other sf games, they get owned.

this shit doesnt work in ST

truth. thats why when i practice special move execution, i fire up hyper fighting, or HDR switched to classic

[HNIC_Mike]

I’m still really not sure this is a problem…if you do the correct inputs, you get the desired moves.

Personally, the only time I get the wrong move coming out (yes even for a walking hadoken) is when I get sloppy and mash.

Slight exceptions are Abel’s Falling Sky and Vipers Seismo Cancel/fake…but I’m sure if I put any real time into these characters, that would not be much of a problem.

I just hopped back into HDR, and SF4 hasn’t really made my execution in that game worse at all.

thats cuz HDR is kinda easy on inputs as well. switch it to classic ST instead of remixed. you’ll see a difference

[Tiberious]

thats cuz HDR is kinda easy on inputs as well. switch it to classic ST instead of remixed. you’ll see a difference

There’s a world of difference between ‘being easy on inputs’ and ‘if you press :r:, then :d:, then :df: sometime within the span of 5 seconds, next time you press :p:, you’ll go flying through the air with your fist extended and on fire’, which is where SF4 takes it.

[Soaphead11]

Tell me which part you don’t understand and I’ll explain it to you. Slowly.

I understood everything. You offered NO explanation as to why such ludicrous inputs result in SRKs. You offered no explanation as to why :d::r: gives an srk.

I’m still really not sure this is a problem…if you do the correct inputs, you get the desired moves.

Its not about wanting a shoryu and not getting one. Its about shoryu’s happening when they shouldn’t be, at all.

[ilitirit]

You offered NO explanation as to why such ludicrous inputs result in SRKs.

Note that even though this a simplified explanation, this is more or less how Street Fighter has worked since SFII. What is different in this iteration is the simplification of the input sequences (shortcuts), and then widening of the execution and leniency windows.

The input shortcuts for an SRK were detailed earlier in the thread.

Here’s another bit of obvious info: the “new” input system isn’t even that new to the game. It’s the same technique they’ve always used for charge characters (any downwards direction followed by any upwards direction etc).

You offered no explanation as to why :d::r: gives an srk.

It doesn’t. The initial forward motion was buffered before the start. Street Fighter stores inputs between rounds. That’s why you can charge TAP before the round begins. The game has always worked like this.

Read the thread properly before posting.