Shut the fuck up, you no-proof-having motherfucker.
Were you one of those Muslim kids?
Iām not Muslim, but I find it appalling you would come in here and try to hold up Trumpās assertion with anecdotal evidence being used as if itās applicable to the whole. I grew up in Jersey City and watched 9/11 happen out of my high school window up until one of the towers fell. The city has a HUGE Middle Eastern population not far from where I grew up and I can attest, as can hundreds of thousands of other Jersey City residents, no one was celebrating.
Man why do you come in here if you donāt even plan on looking at the different candidates as people.
Republicans are evil. Got it. Iām sure thereās a thread where you can repeatedly make the same point without going out off topic.
Is anecdotal evidence all you have?
Please explain.
Jeb because those are my initials.
Anecdotal? A number of news organizations have outright debunked Trumpās claim that Muslims were celebrating 9/11. If you donāt believe me, hereās an exhaustive search for even an iota of evidence where they still came up with absolutely nothing.
Do I really have to when so many newspapers have already done the work for me? Or are you just looking for a reason to complain? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html
Pretty sure trump is on some bullshit. But I was in high school as well at the time and knew some Muslim who celebrated. Also knew some who were just as mad,upset, scared as everyone else. This was in NY by the way. I donāt remember seeing a widespread Muslim celebration anywhere.
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Anarchism isnāt a viable form of anything. This is basic stuff, to discuss its merits is foolish.[/quote
Anarchism was the most common form of government for thousands of years. Its pretty safe to say that on e a group of humans gets to a certain number then things become complicated. Youād be surprised at great life is at the hunter gatherer level.
The reason we were under anarchism for thousands of years was due to the absence of agriculture. Once we realized staying in one secure place and letting the food grow actually worked, people jumped on that shit like a rodeo bull. Everyone wanted a piece of the agriculture pie, which is why towns sprung up. As clustered populations formed, we required a social order to avoid utter chaos, and thus government was formed.
If you use the hunter-gatherer system as an example of successful anarchism, you need to also realize that it requires a really small, sparse population with lots of available resources. The population glass ceiling is what keeps it from being an effective social model in the 21st century.
I have no love for Trump, but you and Emil keep referencing Politifact like itās some neutral website that only tells the ātruthā.
Thatās bullshit. Politifact is a notoriously left leaning website.
As for not even an iota evidence showing that Muslims- thatās wrong: according to an old Washington Times report, some people were arrested for allegedly holding tailgate like party celebrations.
Liberal media websites refuse to even admit this- which is stupid as hell, and discredits a largely winning case. Why they refuse to say āsome Muslims may have celebrated, but if so, that is simply evidence that cities need to work better at integrating immigrantsā is beyond me.
What does this even mean? How is this true of conservatives and not liberals?
Well I wasnāt doubting that some muslims may have cheered (though factcheck seems to show otherwise). What I was questioning was the source that Donald Trump had to use to attempt to justify his claims - a conspiracy theory factory.
Politifact and Factcheck are neutral websites. You will see that liberals/democrats also get called out for making incorrect claims:
You seem to think that because republicans are called out more often, that the website is left-leaning by default. No. If we have two groups, one that lies significantly more than the other, then we expect that if Factcheck or Politifact were neutral, that the one lying more will get called out more often. We would NOT expect to see an even representation of lying being called out between the two parties.
Iāve noticed that the claim of āleft biasā is an often go-to point for republicans to disregard any evidence that goes against their misconceptions of reality. The common trend is they feel that the facts must conform to their own beliefs and not the other way around.
The climate change denial from conservative think tanks, has made me sick. Iāve almost never seen a conservative be given a mountain of evidence against their beliefs and for them to respond to it with something like āI seeā¦it looks like there was a lot I did not know about this topic. I will researchā. Instead, it seems that their political views (and religious views) has already locked in how they need to respond to everything and thereās absolutely nothing that can change their mind. Ignorance is bliss.
Iām not sure who Glenn Kessler is but I donāt see how a single incident with one āfactcheckerā means that we should disregard all factcheckers.
This is demonstratably wrong.
You linked me a study regarding Washington Postās factcheckerā¦and even then, it doesnāt seem conclusive in any way and Iām not even sure that their claims are accurate because they provide no citations.
Edit: While they provided a study on politifact that showed a difference in the amount of liberal and conservative claims that were considered lies, the examples the article uses are referring to the Washington Postās factchecker, Glenn Kessler.
Thatās all opinion tho. Not fact.
Iām sure Amerindians welcome foreign invaders with open arms.
I mean, it worked out all so well for them the first time new settlers came with an imposing religion.
I see liberals make pushes to not be objective anymore. They constantly have issues with freedom of speech concerning āhate speechā.
They have no way to limit themselves as everything they push for always ends up getting more extreme then the next. (Feminism is a good example)
They hate authority or people of power but would welcome giving government more control as if they think there is no way there could be corruption or breach of trust in any authoritative power.
Even libertarians suffer some of the same problems as āTolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.ā - G.K. Chesterton.
Emil, you still play online? Remember FatherBrain and the crew from the Kaillera daysā¦