Yeah, but any idiot can point and shoot.
No. No he isn’t.
A lot of other countries also look at the USA the same way in regards to the USA’s fascination with guns and the gun laws.
If guns are SO easy for anyone to get illegally, then wouldn’t it be possible for a cop to go undercover and crack down on the black market guns with ease?
I don’t think it is that easy to get a gun illegally. This guy got his gun legally and it’s likely he would have had a much harder time pulling off this crime if he had to obtain his gun illegally.
I’m all for banning guns, there really aren’t any justifiable reasons to have them unless you really believe in the government conspiracy theories and the importance of protecting ourselves against the government. That Australian comedian was on point
Gun law arguments are relatively moot despite the good intention behind them. Even if changes were made you can’t really expect gun owners to willingly give up their firearms.
How many news we have by year of “dude succesfully defended from an agression using his gun in a safe way”? Now, how many news do we have of “armed guy went crazy and killed someone” or “gun accident kills someone”?
Statistically, guns are way more related to crimes and tragedies than protection. It’s highly unlikely you find someone succesfully defending itself from any eventual situation, while using the gun irresponsibly/for bad deeds is waaaay too common.
By common sense, guns shouldn’t be allowed.
(Note to self: Never let Rhio2K have a butter-knife.)
Common sense isn’t common, though, and there are other issues that trying to ban all guns would definitely run into unfortunately, even if it enacting that alone was somehow the sole solution necessary, which it isn’t.
Sigh. You say that like:
- Cops (or the feds) are all that competent.
- Cops (or the feds) have ever won a “war” on anything.
- There’s a singular black market or even a finite set of aggregated black markets in general for illegal guns when probably the majority of transactions for illegal guns are either individual guns being sold or stolen or just being discovered after being cached somewhere.
- Cops (or the feds) don’t already try and haven’t already tried to do it in some respects, often poorly.
- Cops (or the feds) generally have the ethnic make-up or age group to go undercover in a lot of places where illegal guns are generally sold. It’s already difficult to do undercover work even when you are competent and look the part, but given a lot of illegal gun stuff goes on in minority communities that already distrust the cops, you can see how they would be suspicious of the new middle-aged white with a backwards cap who just showed up asking about illegal guns while awkwardly trying to slang.
- Every person who has an illegal gun is a known criminal who the cops already know to go after.
Pretty much none of that is true, unfortunately.
Additionally, cops, reasonably, don’t want to be shot (at) and focusing on trying to clean up illegal guns would constantly put them in danger of that. Granted, way too many of them already think they’re always in danger of that whenever they interact with some non-white, non-Asian male, but that would be a legitimate point of hesitancy in this case even if it would be unprofessional given the supposed creed of their profession; they’re only human (read: despicable) after all.
At least with the stupid, failed yet still on-going “War on Drugs”, not every dealer they go after and bust is guaranteed to be armed. That’s kind of not the case with going after illegal guns even if they should do that more often than they doubtless don’t do. At most, when it comes to cops going after illegal guns, in its conjunction with or as a side effect of them going after gangs and confiscating the illegal guns of gang members. Sure, that cleans up the streets a bit for a bit, but it can only do so much, especially when relatively cheap new guns and bullets are made daily.
Let’s not even bring the feds into this matter really; I was just mentioning their incompetence so as to show I wasn’t picking on cops. In fact, I’d say the feds are even worse on this matter. After all, they fucked up so hard with “Fast & Furious” that I still say whoever thought that was a good idea should literally be taken out back and shot, preferably with one of the guns they purchased for that inane program so as to maximize irony.
Damn…
That’s just horrible. And, I recently moved to Virginia from Germany as well.
I feel sorry for these folks…
Attempting to ban guns just makes sure that the only ones that have them are the criminals, as they don’t care about the law.
I didn’t say anything about gun laws. You were on that tangent. I’m just tired of the stupid “the killer could have used _____” argument. It’s easier to kill multiple people with guns. A mass murder could use their hands, a knife, a bow, etc. but those weapons would require more skill to accomplish the task.
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Um…no?
Gun laws vary wildly by state and there are very few federal gun laws on the books. Shit, gun laws very wildly by fucking COUNTY. You can get a gun pretty easy in Buffalo, NY, but you’re going to need a lawyer to even finish the application in New York City. So because of this, guns vary in difficulty to obtain by state. Most won’t even bother to ask if you’re going to carry it over state lines.
The black market is flush with guns because of the variety in strictness of these laws. You can buy a gun pretty much just by walking into a store in Indiana, carry it across state lines, and sell it for a pretty sizable profit in New Jersey. You can even claim the gun was stolen so that if it’s used in a crime you won’t be implicated since you reported it stolen to your local PD.
So yeah, that’s why guns are easy to get in the U.S.
A knife is also illegal to carry…
imo theres no going back for usa. too many guns in circulation as it is. ban them outright, but you won’t get rid of whats already out there, or the paranoid fucks preparing to defend themselves against some conspiracy theory bs. it blows my mind that seemingly reasonable people i know consider it irresponsible to not own a gun.
In many places in the US, it’s perfectly legal to carry a knife…
Around where I live the only pro-gun people I know are rednecks who can’t even speak English correctly and act like owning a gun gives them some kind of power over other people. None of them use their guns for protection, but only for threatening other people. So personally I usually feel like it’s bullshit when someone uses the “we need guns for protection” argument. Of course I’m not making blanket statements about every single gun owner out there. But for most people I’ve ever met that are gun owners it’s just the power trip they get off of owning something that can blast someone else’s head into pasta. I don’t believe in banning all guns but I do think certain people shouldn’t ever be able to own guns. I know people that own assault rifles and you wouldn’t even know they did unless you’ve been to their house before since it’s just a private hobby to them. And people like that are fine. That’s what you call a responsible gun enthusiast instead of the miserable people who know they’ll be powerless without something to aim at others just for the sheer fact that they get off on it.
I don’t think it will ever been possible to entirely get rid of guns. But as it is it’s just ridiculously easy for anyone to acquire a gun and 30 minutes later be shooting up a school or whatever usually happens.
Might be fine if your living in a decent sized city.
But your giving the shaft to people in rural areas, farmers or even people that hunt for food/sport.
But nah, Those people arnt “progressive”. Its 2015 after all. XDDDD
And if you look at those statistics you’d find that minourities (Mostly blacks) are the ones with the highest gun related crimes out of any other race.
So by common sense, lets ban black people from guns! 
im open to farmers or people who live in rural areas having access to firearms like australia or nz do it. im fine with “giving the shaft” to someone who owns a firearm for the purpose of hunting or sport.
I’m pro gun, a gun enthusiast, I’ve shot things.
Going on:
This guy couldn’t have done what he did nearly as easily as he did if he didn’t have a gun. He would have been forced to go samurai style with a katana… Would have worked decently well. But would have taken more time and people could have run away easier… Plus he would have had to be decently surgical with the damned sword to make sure that he killed and didn’t just injure. He could have used a different weapon… A bomb, some nunchucks, a bow and arrow etc… None nearly as efficient at killing as a gun without time and effort put into learning how to use said instruments of death. And even then, still pale in comparison to a guns lethality, portability and ease of use.
The most important factor here though isn’t any of those things. This coward couldn’t have killed himself after having done the deed, nearly as easily if he didn’t have a gun. He would have had to nunchuck/bow and arrow himself to death or make sure to commit these atrocities near a very high ledge so he could jump off of it. There would be logistical issues in other words. Even a bomb would do the same thing. If he suicide bombed the chick, he wouldn’t get to feel the pleasure of having dealt with his tormenter. He would have to have 2 bombs. One to kill her and and one to kill himself. That’s a lot of effort since he would need 2 very powerful portable bombs to ensure maximum killing ability while ensuring that the target actually dies.
Then there’s the whole process of a gun being so portable and powerful that it lends itself to spur of the moment decisions. If you have to make a bomb you have to pre meditate shit. You have to give your crazy ass time to calm down. But with a gun you might be rational for 40 years of life and then just get put over the edge one day and bam… Gun to solve your problems. Maybe you could do the same with a bomb if you had it pre made…
But then you would have had to have pre made a bomb “just in case” someone pisses you off… so you aren’t right in the head already.
Idk what the answer to gun control is. I’m a conspiracy theorist “nut job” that thinks that if people give up their guns, the next thing to happen is the government takes total dictatorial control of society. I FIRMLY believe that.
But something does need to happen to start to control these random gun assaults. Personally even though in this case it was more than likely impossible, I think it’s the medias fault almost entirely by “advertising” these crimes. IMHO the media is more responsible for this than people give them credit for. The media needs to report happier things and have people not so afraid of each other. Not be as paranoid as it is.
The fear mongering and instigating that the media specialises in is in my mind a crime as well. Probably the biggest crime being committed today.
Never heard of scaphism, so I googled it. I now wish I didn’t. Man, who in the hell comes up with shit like that? Smfh…
Doesn’t matter what he could or couldn’t have done without a gun. This dude was willing to track her AND the other guy to exactly where they would be, and waited until she was live on the air, to kill her.
He could have ran them over at some point in a car, he could have blown them up, he could have done any number of things.
If you want to kill somebody, you’re going to do it. If you want to hurt somebody, you’re going to do it. Don’t bitch about the tool they use. If everybody started using hammers, would we ban those or limit those, too? I don’t even give the slightest of fuck about guns, and I laugh at some American’s overboard love of firearms, but this case has nothing to do with a gun, except that’s what he used to kill the people. Dude was unbalanced, plain and simple. End of story. I kinda almost feel a little sad for him, to be honest.