first of all… i hate swf… 99% of the people that post there know less about smash than the people here. But i cant deny that some people there are dedicated. people spend hours in action replay counting frames and whatnot for the communities benefit. I’m also saying that any singly person that has ever played melee at tournament level can clearly see why it is a superior game. I have yet to see one person that was actually good at melee to outright say that brawl is a better tournament game. I’m not trying to get elitist but i’d appreciate if you had at least some knowledge concerning melee before making statements, just plead ignorance instead. This isn’t people not being able to let go of the old or whatever you think, this is experienced players who know that the game is worse. It doesn’t even matter though. play what you want i dont give a fuck. it’s just a shame to see such a ridiculously great tournament game seemingly abandoned within the community for a seriously inferior game just because of fanbase and accessibility. The melee pros will still rape all the brawl people because they are good smashers, and they will follow the money, which is at the brawl tournament populated by mostly bad players
its comments like this that really annoy me. please just admit you know nothing about smash and move along instead of voicing your uninformed opinion.
no diss or anything, you’re just obviously not familiar with any melee tournament play
Oh yes, I’m not familiar. I love how this is what you guys always jump to when someone tries to present an arguement. Instead of trying to see other sides they just instantly say “U R NOT A TOP PLAYER U NO NOTHING”.
I actually learned how to play melee. I learned about SHFFLing, DI, etc. I learned how to shine spike, pillar, and do silly crap like that. I played Falco, because he is a bird. Birds are pretty cool in my book.
I’m not going to say I’m good at it, but when I pick up a game I learn how to play it. I even sat down and played it when I had a chance with some people from the “smash” community (namely Tope, who ran the tournament at C3). I am not in any way good at the game, mostly because I just don’t care, and mostly because I didn’t get to play it very much. I guess I’m kind of to blame for being out of the scene for the last two years, but that’s sort of my own personal problem.
I am not uninformed. I’ve read the forum posts on SWF and I understand where you guys are coming from, however I have seen this trend before in our community when sequels come out to games, and it’s very obvious why the reaction has been what it is. Also, given that only the top smash players have any concept of spacing and footsies I’m going to say that 95% of you guys know just as much as “SRKers” do, you’re just parroting what you see posted on your forums, and claiming that anyone who argues with you doesn’t know anything about playing the game on a “tournament” level. You must realize this community has played a ton of games on the tournament level, all with their own glitches and problems, many of them way way worse than anything smash brings to the table, even if you leave all items on and turn Smash Balls to very high.
So keep on spouting nonsense. It’s people like you who give your community a bad name, trying to say that no one outside of it has any idea how to play your game. Keep trying to say “They’re more dedicated because they count frames!” when that shit has been going on in SF for years.
I’m happy Brawl has turned out like it has. A lot more yomi shit going on than before. I really hope Smash Balls make it in to the ruleset, because I think they bring an interesting aspect to the game. If they don’t no big deal, but I feel like the heavy sanitization done to the game to make it “balanced” goes a bit overboard. I understand why some stuff is taken out (moving stages, stars, etc) but it is kind of like banning throws in SF2: you get hit by it and whine like a bitch until someone gives in and stops doing it so you can fight the way you think the game should be played.
But it’s obvious you’ll never care to look at it from another side, so scamper back to SWF and post about how those guys at SRK have no idea what they’re talking about because they didn’t get last place in 40 different tournaments like you did.
See, now I’m drawing conclusions about you without knowing anything. Isn’t that nice?
How is it a shame to see a game dominated by 3 characters lose it’s hold?
Melee was to offense what Brawl is to defense. Everything was so safe and spammable that it was a bad choice not to learn ATs and rushdown. I don’t see that as being an “amazing tournement game”. Brawl rewards smart play and you can win only on smart play. In Melee, even if a player was smart and could read the other guy like a book, it didn’t matter if he couldn’t do crazy shit with the top tier because he wouldn’t be able to match what the other guy was doing. It’s like playing 3rd strike with parry turned off vs. another guy with it turned on. Atleast in Brawl, a solid player can pick it up and immediately start raping lesser players. Justin Wong is proof of this. Good players will win in Brawl. That is all it needs to be an amazing tournament game.
There IS rushdown in brawl though. Look at metaknight. He can approach safely and pressure the other guy with little risk of punishment. Some characters will just be geared more for defense and others will be geared more towards offense.
Also the argument that people will stop playing the game after 2 months is silly. CVS2 had turtling looooooong after the initial phases of the game and people still loved it. I’m completely sure new things will be found to change how Brawl is played. Just give it time.
This is true. And I would liken it to the silly outcry in various sectors of SRK who bitch about console games/versions being used at EVO.
QFT. Best argument/reason I’ve seen.
Haha, turn my post around into a pro item argument why don’t you. No its not about items. The reason smashboarders think “testing something out” is a cop-out is because tournament organizers never banned them because they made the game unplayable I.E. “Broken”; it was because items could screw tournament matches, which they thought means “broken” in its own way. Just look at the heart item and tell me it can’t screw matches. I would seriously play with items (minus instant benefit items: hearts, stars, horseshoes, ect.) if it werent for the fact that they can make a match between equally skilled players at least partially up to item randomness. So by all means test the game out, but if you set out to draw a conclusion that supports your personal pro item bias, you wont find any “brokenness.” Anyway this thread isn’t about items so I’ll stop here.
Where is the original post that claimed Justin Wong has only played brawl for 20 minutes and watched 2 videos. I went up to LA yesterday to play a friend and I told him about the tournament. He told me thats BS, Justin Wong has been talking smash brothers techs and strats with a friend of his for a while now.
That was my post. This was second-hand information, so it might not be totally accurate, but I have no reason to distrust the people who told me.
actually this is BS i heard justin wong learned the game in 20 SECONDS while drunk and played on a wiimote + nunchuck using his massive penis to press the buttons
Why hasn’t jammin jobus been perma banned yet?, he’s clearly just a melee glitch dickrider who has contributed nothing conducive in the way of advancing the brawl scene in any way unless of course you count derailing every thread he posts in.
Seriously when did report on big brawl tournament thread turn into everyone against jammin? This guy is ridiculous so i suggest one of 3 options:
1: Perma ban his scrubass (most preferable so we can actually get back to talking about brawl)
2: ignore him
3: get AW to make him cry.
Actually this is BS, I heard he didn’t even use his penis, but high pressure cum shots to the buttons to control his character. Get your facts straight man.
Also I’m surpirsed that swf nut hugger hasn’t come in with more BS arguments and demanding we all switch to melee because it’s the best game ever and anyone who disagrees obviously never played it and hasn’t even touched smash brothers before and probably only played 3rd strike for 45 years.
just a FYI to all you haters, wong let a melee player onto his crew empire arcadia (the melee player forward if you were curious).
also on his site empire arcadia there is a smash section that leads to another site.
now is that enough of JUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSTIIIIINNNNNNN WOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG?
How can rushdown be good without combo potential? Everyone has glossed over the most important post on this page, what the hell IS a combo in Smash? Apparently its picking the right of about 3 options after a move hits. These smash morons don’t even understand what a combo is.
THANK YOU.
this was like…my entire argument for the CF thing from melee.
most “combos” smashers think they do would be like saying, grabbing your opponent on getup then throwing them back down into the corner. its not a continued combo, the combo ended when you hit them on the ground the first time. the damage after hitting them on the ground was no longer guaranteed.
Which is why I will camp the hell out of everyone in Brawl.
It’s pretty much the only way to control a match now since aggression leads to nothing.
I wouldn’t say that, you just have to guess right when the opportunity is there. The match is very much in your favor after getting a hit, it’s just that nothing is guaranteed. This games all about out thinking your opponent time after time after time again.
This game plays like SF2 no lie!
Thank you for taking notice. When I used Fox in Brawl, I had to make sure his drill kick to shine was a combo at lower percentages, which indeed it was.
On the other hand, I watched a lot of combo videos, including ones of Isai in both 64 and Melee, and I was able to find more than one incident where the opponent’s wrong attempt to escape set up the finish, and it was still in a COMBO video. WTF?!?!?
How much $$ did the top 3 places win?
Didnt see it anywhere…sorry if I missed it
I never said any of the smash players were stupid. I never said the game was stupid.
All I did was comment on Justin’s play style during the tournament. Justin had played the game previously thanks to the import, so at the very best he had a month under his wings with the game.
Justin was playing smart, and he was getting results from it, that’s all that matters you arrogant little twat. The better player won in the end.
I mean hell, Justin played smash at Showdown Championships this past weekend and he got knocked out. And you know what character got first?
Sonic.
Yeah, fuck off guy. This game’s got plenty more where that came from.
I hope Justin continues to grind into the Smash community, so I can buy a flag to shove into the ground announcing our take over.