"Remember what we used to say? JACKPOT!" The Vergil Team Building Thread

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^Yeah, I’ve been seeing a few people use Magneto as anchor now.

Having seen this change, it’s been giving me a lot of thought about “anchors” in general in this game. So far imo, the top assists in this game are beyond horrible anchors and really get no advantage from being in XF lvl 3. (Doom, sent, ammy, dante)

A lot of characters in this game are pretty crummy anchors if you think about it overall and don’t really benefit much from xf lvl 3 in comparison to their other positions, and Vergil is also an example of this.

Mags is not a good anchor imo because hes very difficult to control in xf lvl 3 and any hit he receives hes dead. He’s 10x better with support. You can be so much more care free with doom or sent backing him up and your mix up potential goes up significantly.

A lot of characters are just beyond crummy in xf lvl 3 IMO.

Captain america, tron, dante, sentinel, doom, hawkeye, dr strange, ghost rider, storm, etc.

Hawkeye is a weak XF lvl 3 because if you burn XF before your opponent does…hawkeye shouldn’t win. You can just sit there and block all day and use XF after he does and he has to approach…which he sucks at.

Captain america has no tools. no overhead, no instant overheads, no teleports, hes bad.

Storm it becomes insanely difficult to reliably time her instant overheads.

Dr strange is horrible because if your opponent is in the corner he cannot cross you up and the only option he has is to try and grab you out of the corner so he can cross you up.

anyway, thinking about it, I would have to say that Akuma might be one of the best overall anchors in the game looking at assist value and benefits from XF. I also think he’s a great point.

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Tell me you’re joking or don’t play good Ammys very often.

All things considered, I think the whole idea of “anchor” is outdated. The assist outweighs the comeback potential if your first two characters are strong enough with the assist.

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So sorry if this has been covered definitively before, but what are you guys’ thoughts on Wesker or Dante for Vergil / xxx / Strider? Crystal seems to behave strangely sometimes as an OTG but it also helps with locking people down for round trip glitch shenanigans.

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As we know, with a horizontal assist of some kind, Vergil has some pretty slick crossups when in close. Id always assumed they were best done by hitting sM and calling assist, then cancelling to M teleport. But a friend pointed out to me that with Shopping Cart, you want to do it off an sL for the ideal hard-to-block-able. And he was totally right.

So I was wondering, for various horizontal assists (tatsu, hawk arrows, task arrows, disruptor, plasma beam, etc etc), what do you guys think are the best ways to do it to be as hard to block as possible, while not simply continuing a block stun. I imagine for most it would be the sM+assist xx M tele, but in case, like Cart, it’s something different/better, figured I’d ask. Thanks!

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Unfortunately as much as I love Hawkeye I may drop him for Vergil. I was running Nova/Frank/Hawkeye for the longest time, however, having Frank is already a liability seeing as if you don’t do the DHC to get him to Lvl 4/5 he’s pretty much useless even with Greyhound giving him some cover and as you pointed out Hawkeye without X-Factor really sucks. In response to this I’ve been thinking about doing Nova/Spencer/Vergil or Nova/Vergil/Spencer. The Nova/Spencer synergy is obvious by now but I haven’t seen much action with Vergil in this lineup. Infrit as far as I know has started using this team but I think he’s the only one I know.

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Didn’t say that and that is not true. Hawkeye is very good with support but he does suck in XF. XF is a comeback mechanic and defensive characters in general, do not benefit much from it. The best XF lvl 3 characters are the best pressure orientated characters a la Vergil, Wesker, Akuma, Strider, C Viper, (lvl 2 XF) Felicia.

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Well I was more referring to him being last and not having X-Factor as opposed to him being on point or 2nd. I personally have a huge amount of trouble coming back with Hawkeye without X-Factor when he’s last but that could just be my lack of solid fundamentals and zoning techniques. I’m not sure if that changes your response at all though or I’m being more frustrating/confusing than I already was.

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How vital is an OTG assist 2nd for the Norcal Vergil / xx / Strider team? I want to put doom 2nd but I see a lot of top players use Wekser of Dante 2nd to pick them up a lot.

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Wesker/Dante/Doom get the same synergy with Strider to OTG after vajra hard knockdowns. Wesker/Dante give Vergil extended combos, Doom does too, but its more difficult. As for DHC after dimension slash, Dante and Doom are much better than Wesker’s. Also consider if Vergil dies, are you better with Wesker Dante or Doom with vajra. All are good choices, personally I’d go with Wesker. That gunshot vajra reset is the dirtiest, and if Strider gets snapped in, Wesker anchor is better than Dante/Doom anchors.

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If your going for a Vergil/x/Strider team dont do it half arsed, just go the full way and pick Dante in second with Crystal. Wesker’s DHC options are pretty crappy, not only that but Maximum Wesker DHC to Legion basically does not work. Dante/Strider is alot more solid than Wesker too, you get more damaging combos off strider assist, a DHC option, better incoming options as Dante (opposed to wesker), you dont have to worry about spending a meter to get rid of dem shades and Strider assist can also extend your combos abit if available (as it does not extend Weskers combos at all).

The Crystal assist is also better than gunshot imo too, it hits higher so you can use it on incoming mixups, yeah sometimes it behaves abit weird as an OTG, but thats something you can repair with knowledge and training mode.

I think in terms of Vergil point teams Vergil/Dante/Strider is hands down the best one for synergy, followed closely by Vergil/Dante/Magneto and then in third you have your Vergil/Beam assist/Wesker teams.

Also i forgot to mention you can use Vajira in combination with Vergil’s OTG early on in a combo to extend it, so if Crystal isnt available you can still use Vajira (a little harder but always an option).

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@Metallicmike

Thanks a lot man, this is the most helpful post I’ve read on this so far.

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Working on including Vergil in some teams. I’d like people’s thoughts.

Cap/Vergil/Frank, I’ve found it really solid Cap can always DHC a combo to Swords, get a lunar phase after a short corner lewp, and Frank is at least level 4. Cap can also rawtag into Frank and combo off a shield slash H midcombo, allows for FFC resets at higher levels and DHCs to get to level 4 Frank off one combo as well. And Vergil just has to do a sword loop without using his ground bounce, and Frank can get level 4 easily after Cap dies. Oh, and Maximum Vergil into a Whiffed Tools Hyper works too, after a loop or two gets level 4 or 5 Frank from solo Vergil combos. Most Frank level-up combos leave the opponent with very little hp left, they can either be killed by a final hyper from Frank, or they die very quickly to Frank’s stupid chip. Cap can play keepaway great with rapid slash, and both Vergil and Frank can just teleport/roll like idiots with shield slash assist for very unpredictable crossups. Looking for a slightly better mixup character for this team, though. My Cap’s a placeholder right now, and is not super experienced.

Vergil/X23/Taskmaster, 3 characters I enjoy playing. Vergil gets the otg for longer combos and Task assist for meterless conversions off Rapid slash as well as a beam-ish assist. X-23 can beam bounce midscreen with arrows, and can extend a lot of combos, though she has to shorten her longer combo starters, with rapid slash. If I hit the second character, I pop X-factor, kill one dude, gain enough meter for Dirt Nap sillyness on the third, Kubo-style. Task is a decent anchor, and I know him pretty well. He can extend off of both assists, though he often is fighting alone. I’m inexperienced with this team, but the team itself is strong.

Nemesis/Strange/Vergil, Nemesis with bolts assist is the assist catcher to rule them all, gets birthdays like mad, command throw setups with the long-lasting beams. Rapid Slash is mostly to annoy people like Wolvy and Firebrand who want to get in on Nem immediately. Strange keeps them in blockstun while I call rapid slash, and just zones all day with the pushback. Vergil anchor is Vergil anchor. Thinking of switching to Nemesis/Vergil/Task, as the swords DHC is very damaging, and I’ll be able to finally get onetouchkills off of command throws. And then Vergil will have a slightly better beam for his mixups, people ducking strange ruins it for my Vergil teleport stupidity.

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I was wondering how well does vergil do with akuma tatsu assist?

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Since the sequences that give Vergil the best crossups for assist+teleport vary by the different assists, I was wondering if anyone knew the best way(s) to give Vergil the hardest-to-block crossup with Taskmaster’s arrows? In messing with it, I found raw stinger+Task xx tele works OK, and sL+Task sM xx tele is actually quite good crossup-wise, however if they pushblock the sL, it negates the whole thing. Hmm, perhaps sL+Task into Stinger xx tele would work with Stinger negating the pushblock?

Not sure, but if anyone has any fun cheapness w/ Ver\gil and Task arrows, holla! lol Also, Im under the impression Task arrows uniquely allow for a meterless combo off Rapid Slash. Wondering what you guys like to do w/ that.

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I’m trying to figure out a good point character for Vergil / drones. I’ve been using doom for a while due to comfort with the character and his ability to gain meter with resets and long combos. I hate how doom handles the start of the match and I feel like he doesn’t protect sentinel assist well enough.

I need suggestions for points that a. build meter for Vergil b. have a good DHC into spiral swords or some other safe handoff and c. are actually good point characters so I can avoid dying and having Vergil come in to get mixed up.

I was thinking about hulk actually, ton of health so getting beat up builds meter, plus he loves drones.

thanks for suggestions!

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Nova, Magneto, and Dante are good candidates.

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I’ll check out mags… seems like his DHC into swords would be decent. My favorite way to protect Sentinel is to crossup teleport. I’m thinking wesker would make a good point in for this team too-- damaging, meter building combos that end in a reset, with a teleport to abuse drones.

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You run drones…
You have Vergil 2nd
Why the hell are you not running Magneto.
/reply

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What he said. If for some reason you don’t wanna run Mags, dante, nova, spencer, wesker, viper, and others would all be strong. That said, please refer to Soviet Afro’s response.

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How viable is vergil with jam session as his only assist in the neutral? i plan on having an otg assist to go with him but im thinking opening up my opponents with jam session or the otg assist will be really difficult thoughts?