As mentioned before if you have a really tight game with vergil’s roundtrip, and you can apply it well with vergil’s offensive game you can create some really good grounded 50/50’s with strider. As well in the incoming character’s I just recently started messing with vergil and strider and they have really nasty set ups. First i couldn’t find anything really useful because i tought calling strider and doing a random teleports was really cheesy and predictble, but once i implemented RT the teleport mixups became a lil more tricky for my opponents to guard. I honestly don’t see another assist that would benefit Doom/vergil as much as strider will. Doom can have easy ass conversions of any vajra confirm when it hits an airborne opponent. As for akuma i haven’t tried him on any of my vergil teams so maybe someone else here might fill us in if it works i’ve wondered if tatsu helps vergil just have been to lazy to go into the lab and test it xD
This is my team, as well. Shopping cart works well for teleport mixups, and it’s super easy to frank to at least level 4 from any hit if you have 1 bar (basic combo ending in lunar phase which causes hard knockdown > hard tag frank, photo > survival techniques > dhc to devil trigger, hard tag frank, photo, and then another survival tech if you have the meter).
I’ve been thinking about swapping out wesker for doom w/missiles, though. Or maybe even Mags with hyper grav assist. You don’t really need wesker’s OTG for anything.
Hey people I started using Vergil recently (about 8 hours ago) and here’s my team with him: Nova/Vergil/Frank. This team basically means that I should never be using level 1 Frank and if I ever find myself using him, I fucked royally somewhere along the match. Both characters are easily capable of getting frank to level 4 from a clean hit. If I get my hit with Nova, I’ll DHC into Vergil DT, raw tag into Frank and take a picture. That leaves me with my ideal composition, leveled up frank on point, nova assist and Vergil anchor with DT already in place. If nova happens to die with Frank having been leveled, I’ll have to resort to Vergil to get Frank his chainsaws. Now the thing is, what is the best way to do so (if there really is one)? From what I’ve seen, there are like a million possibilities as far as level ups are concerned, but is there one that simply outshines the other ones? Dimension Slash DHC Survival Techniques (whiffed) Snapshot? Any optimized methods for this? Thanks in advance!
what do you guys think of Vergil + hidden missiles? can he get like a semi lockdown strategy with that by using SS + missiles?
New to Vergil (and UMVC) what do you guys think of Hawkeye/Vergil/Storm? I could switch the order no problem but I’d like to stick with these three characters for now.
hawkeye/storm gives you a really good instant and safe DHC that punishes damn near everything for something like 500k. rapid slash assist also is REALLY good for pushing people fullscreen if they block it so it would be really good with vergil last for that assist.
IMO when hawkeye gets in danger or you get a chance to nuke an assist call I would DHC him out to storm then run her until she dies at that point go hawkeye to swords to get vergil with hawkeye assist or keep hawkeye with his zoning assist and strat and save vergil for use with your XF
ive been playing storm a long time and am in the process of switching her out for vergil
Sounds good, I’ll try out Hawkeye/Storm/Vergil then. Which assist would you recommend for Storm?
generally just whirlwind because it’s her only good assist. whirlwind and rapid slash do pretty much the exact same thing though so maybe you can find something fun with her lightning attack assist in hawkeyes combos after an otg.
that sounds like an interesting team though. definitely something i would like…
Thanks for the reply man(and sorry for my late response).
Glad to know Strider covers all that I was hoping for. A few of the things you mentioned I can get with Akuma just as well, but in terms of conversions for Doom Strider seems to definitely give the easier way. I’ll fiddle around with both of them some more, and see if I can come to a good conclusion. Either way I see it I get a good lvl 3 XF anchor.
Edit: scratch Akuma entirely out of the team. Converting off of it is going to annoy the shiz out of me. Added note though, Gonna give ammy a try(possibly sentinel as well).
So I’ve joined the darkside and found some really cheap shuma/vergil tech that I’m not going to talk about yet till I refine it. My question is who would be a good third.
I don’t know what assists are good for vergil. Order is Shuma/vergil/x.
I’m trying to use Chris G’s Morrigan/Doom/Vergil team and other than a couple matchups, I typically have anchor Vergil saved up to go bananas if the Morrigan/Doom combination falls apart. Is there something/a strategy I should look for if I happen to have Vergil out with the hidden missiles assist? I’m pretty much helm breaking like crazy knowing that missiles will mostly keep me safe (I’m still a new Vergil player so yeah).If there’s any strategy/tech that I should be using with Vergil and hidden missiles, I’d like to know.
I’m using Morrigan’s meter assist but if I’m starting her first, her assist might be a little useless. I was thinking of changing Morrigan’s assist to her soul fist and maybe that could help vergil out with assist/teleport mixup? Or is Vergil with extra meter more essential?
Yo your mags shuma combination was dirty I can’t imagine the nasty shit you got with vergil and shuma >_<
I can do a full shuma combo and get like 500k without meter and raw tag in vergil and do sword loop or tac any direction into vergil into full sword loop… gta love mystic stare explosion. I don’t know what I’m doing at all with vergil though =/
New to Vergil blah blah blah
I want to make a Vergil/Spencer team
Spencer gets some good combo extensions and a mixup with Vergil.
Spencer, as far as I can tell, can’t really help out Vergil a whole lot outside of small combo extension.
I want a character that can help both of these characters. I’d assume a beam assist or lockdown would be best.
I have played Sentinel, Akuma, Ammy, and Wolverine in the past but Im looking for a new character to pick up that can help Spencer/Vergil the most.
Vergil can act as a good anchor…So can Spencer…
Any suggestions? Team order doesn’t matter too much to me, so you can add a point character that can build meter for Vergil/Spencer(Although that would leave them without a good lockdown assist to get in), or an assist to help either get in… etc.
Hawkeye!! His horizontal assist would work great with Vergil teleports and Spencer ziplines. Now that I think more about it, that could be a real well rounded team i.e. Each character can make use and benefit from the other two character’s assists. Vergil’s rapid slash helps hawkeye’s keepaway, and Spencer’s grapple can easily extend his combos/set up mixups. From experience, I can say that Hawkeye anchor isn’t the worst thing to have. I’ve had much success with him, but the only problem I’ve had is that, unlike my other two characters, having him have to make a total comeback against 3 full health characters is a bit of a stretch. Cleaning up 1 or 2 characters, though, he can definitely get the job done. Looking at the characters you’ve listed that you played, learning his hit&run/keepaway style as opposed to rushdown would probably take some getting used to, but in terms of team order, I’d recommend Spencer/Vergil/Hawkeye or Spencer/Hawkeye/Vergil, depends on whether you prefer having support for Hawkeye and a way to DHC into spiral swords, along with anchor XF3 Vergil; or Vergil+optionalXF2+horizontal assist, and a less hectic but legit anchor Hawkeye
Why not Taskmaster?
I mean…I haven’t dabbled in either…but it seems Taskmaster is superior to Hawkeye in most ways…why would Hawkeye be better than Task?
Any beam/lockdown character is going to help out…
Mags
Iron Man(lol)
Task
Sentinel
Ammy
Akuma
I don’t know what to pick x(
Just learn your sword loops, the property’s of rt, and maybe learn the Rt glitch and how to space your normals and when to use them. i think mystic ray assist with round trip will create some good lock downs and dirty mixups!
Actually spencer can nab you a sword loop extension with the use of his slanted shot assist. I play spncer vergil, and as much as rapid slash helps spencer, slant shot nabs vergil just as much! You can do abc into rising sun M,H,stinger, Mteleport, Crouching H, S , M,H,Helm Breaker ,Activate swords , Hold L for Rt Charge Call spencer, hightime, Teleport down, dash, Helm breaker, Release Rt, Crouching h, Judgement cut, Cont sword loop, Also if you go the ransama combo and use up your ground bounce on your lunar phase instead of going into high time, Bubble shuffle. You can just activate swords call spencer, and just use the extension i mentioned in the combo before. Also another nifty trick i use doing a block string u can stinger+spencer, Teleport M or H if your opponent tries to jump the slant shot will get your oppenent. Leading into a full combo like i said it’s just a trick wouldn’t recommend it to use it all the time every now and then.
Like mr. bguy said hawkeye also works i would go Spencer/Vergil/ Hawkeye. Greyhound shots is amazing with vergil/spencer Mr.bguy basically explained all the benefits of that team so i won’t cover much on that…
Taskmaster is also another good assist for spencer/vergil. Imo taskmaster is a much better character then hawkeye, for this team i would go taskmaster/spencer/vergil i personally play this team. Taskmaster with rapid slash is amazing it can extend your combos, gets you some high/low mixups. Also taskmasters arrow assist works well with vergil it might not have the same speed as grey hound shots,but it does the job.
The only thing imo that hawkeye has over taskmaster is how much better greyhound shots are then tasky (hori) arrows assist. I feel taskmaster is a much better character then hawkeye even in the anchor spot. I know hawkeye with meter and gimlet is really dangerous in the anchor lvl 3 xfactor spot. Taskmaster is just as dirty he gains really good chip, you can also perform his shield skills into arrows corner loop, but like hawkeye he really lacks mixup game. So it’ll be kinda hard to open up some people with him.
Out of that i’d pick mags,task, ironman assist over drones,and tatsu. Haven’t tested cold star so i don’t have an opinion on that one.
Too hard. Also… what is this roundtrip glitch.
Lol hmm i cant really explain what it is ,but ill try. Im in the process of learning it i can pull it of maybe 55 percent of the time. But it is when you cancel the recovery frames of normal into round trip, then you immediately hold back the button of which you were charging you Rt if done right you retain your charge after you release the Rt giving you another Rt instantly after the sword comes back.
Heres a vid explaining exactly what it is
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How do you guys feel about Vergil(Rapid Slash assist),Magneto(Disruptor assist),Doom(Hidden Missiles assist) in that order?I’ve got a sick combo with Vergil using Doom’s missiles to OTG,etc into the sword loop and I’ve got a good grasp of how to use him by now,but admittedly my Magnus and Doom need some work…they’re a bit new to me.I can do the footdive loop with Doom in the corner and working on his midscreen but Magneto’s flight combos are a work in progress.Basically it’s almost a team built around Vergil at this point,using Mag’s beam assist for cross-ups and Doom’s missiles to cover Vergil and Magnus both…then Doom in XF3 doing his thing.Thoughts,suggestions anyone?Looking to really iron out this team and main it…thinking it has a ton of potential.