R.i.p st

cammy-white · February 14, 2012, 10:58pm

what i think is funny is sf4 players claiming that it takes more “execution” to play sf4 because of all the one-frame link combos. “execution” involves a lot more than combos, one-frame linked or otherwise. sure cammy’s combos in ST are “easier” to do, but can you land them? it’s not about taking over half of someone’s life by doing a 3-hit combo, it’s about getting close enough to bait a move to land it. one of the most fundamental aspects of older SF games that is most overlooked is jumping straight up over projectiles to advance. it takes “execution” to advance on a fireballer with this technique and something after 20 years i still need to work on.

as for one-frame links, there’s more to them than just combos. you can actually whiff a move and followup with another move immediately after the recovery frames of the whiffed move are finished. dhalsim is prime example of this with his normals. you can whiff one of his elongated standing moves to bait a jump in and then immediately punish with a different move. but, if your followup is to early, the move will not register, you get knocked down and you lose the round. if your followup is too late, you get knocked down and you lose the round. against characters like hawk, fei long, zangief, and bison you don’t want to miss-time any whiffs because it would take a mistake from your opponent for you to get back up after getting knocked down. to define this as a true one-frame link or not is up to whomever. the fact remains that good players are able to control their moves so that if a move connects, is blocked, or is whiffed, they are able to time their next move to begin on the exact frame of which the last recovery frame of the first move is finished.

sf4 has ex moves and fadc to get around a lot of what involves “execution” in ST. sf4 zangief is a perfect example of this. he’s no longer low-tier because his ex banishing hand AND fadc allows two answers to projectiles that he didn’t have before. i could go on, but it would be pointless in this section of the forums.

for anyone who wants to argue that you’re talking about one-frame links in a 60 fps game, i would like to add that your 60 fps game also has a 7-frame reversal window. my 1 frame reversal window would be 2 frames in your game and my game is a lot faster and allows for no mistakes. if anyone wants to really understand what “execution” is about, they should check out a muteki guile vs a kurahashi guile ST vid on youtube. you won’t see many combos if any at all, but you’d be a total scrub if you didn’t see “execution” at its highest level.

There is no comeback potential at all in ST that’s easily achievable like in SF4, Meaning it takes a real moment of skill.

Bonki · February 14, 2012, 11:42pm

GoForBroke or Cammy-White, why are you lying about your age?

Pasky · February 15, 2012, 1:59am

Who cares? I’m 7.

Bonki · February 15, 2012, 5:18am

Well now your just being honest there. Don’t encourage him.

eltrouble · February 15, 2012, 5:19am

Let this thread die already.

cammy-white · February 15, 2012, 8:19am

Because everyone puts there real age on youtube right? Or most people just dont give a shit and enter anything on youtube, I’m goforbroketv.

Bonki · February 15, 2012, 8:59am

okay whatever you say.