Question about turtles

[shmy]

Man, it’s not a big deal because I’m speaking to someone I know, notice he called me by name…

Turtles are not a big deal in general, I never posted anything about turtles should be banned, or I will never play because of turtles, and if you have noticed, I have slowly changed my opinion on the subject. HURRAH for turtles. I will look forward to the challenge of cracking a turtle’s shell (as oppose to just dealing with them.)

What is a big deal is you constantly posting needless info. Dude, I don’t care about Marvel…and if someone complains about Sagat’s crouching fierce, or standing forward, by any means do so. But please don’t quit playing because of that. The game is too fun. I mean going to work every day is boring, but shit, I don’t hate it.

The topic ONCE AGAIN is do you think turtles are skillful…not how do you deal with turtles. Or how do turtles help my game. Read my post before you post.

[shmy]

Sorry for the double post, but I have to do this.

I’m going to post in direct response to your post so you see why I’m upset with some of your comments.

PLEASE keep in mind what the topic is, I’m not re-typing it anymore.

What i am saying to you is that cvs2 has turtles

I never said it didn’t have turtles.

if you don’t like the turtles which are part of the game you can either quit for something less turtle friendly or you can deal with it.

I’ve already told you why I won’t quit with a good example. Also, I’ve already been given advice on how to view a match with a turtle in a way that would make it exciting for me.

Gunter, Keith just to name a few.

It’s like someone complaining about sagat cuz of crouching fierce or me complaining about magneto because his tri jumps are too fast.

It’s part of the game if you really hate it that much maybe it’s not the game for you.

I don’t hate it that much, I think it’s boring (playing turtles, that is) and even then, not as much anymore…WOW, if I’m playing ball @ the park and this guy is playing really good D on me and I can’t score, I should say to myself, “Damn I hate it, I can’t score, I guess I should never play this game that has brought me fun for all these years, ever again!”

The way i see it if someone is playing defensive it either gives me experience in:

a) playing keepaway vs. a keepaway player

b) practice my rush down

that’s just IMO

Now this is advice I will take into consideration, but you’re basically repeating what other people have posted.

i’m not trying to put you down, but seriously dude what can i say?

edit: if it’s not a big deal the dont’ even worry about it

Well thanks, cause it does sound like you’re trying to put me down, and you’ve already admitted that you’re not familiar with this game, and keep using Marvel for examples. But I’ll trust you with it. And it is a big deal, when you don’t understand what the thread is about and continue to post.

But I’m through with this, because at no point did you cover the topic at hand.

[HoneyBBQGrundle]

Why can you NEVER jump in on Sagat? Just fucking jump, and if he dps you everytime then you’re not playing correctly. It’s like when people say the first to jump in Sagat mirror matches loses, yet watch any high level match and they’ll both jump in like 5 times. If you’re scared of him, then of course he’s gonna win.

[System_1]

Turtles are usually very good players, capable of consitently performing big combos when necessary(dizzy, meaties). They simply choose to not repeat those combos. Turtlers are also very good at landing supers, where as rush characters will often whiff supers.

[iKlEiTlH]

^-- That’s not necessarily true. There are a LOT of random arcade “scrubs” who choose to turtle simply because it’s extremely effective and isn’t as difficult to execute as other playstyles. These are players who pretty much ONLY play casual so they almost NEVER have to deal with someone else playing with a business team or attitude. Like I said earlier, it can be extremely difficult/frustrating playing a hardcore turtle if you’re just using casual teams and aren’t really in tourney mode. This is why I think diehard turtles can win a lot easier in casuals than most other people.

To say turtles are usually very good players isn’t really accurate. I WOULD say that turtles are usually somewhat smart players who try as hard as they can to win in nearly every match that they play (casual or otherwise).

Byron, shit normally gets annoying when people are discussing stuff over forums. I’m pretty sure the other dood isn’t out to put you down or anything. Shit just gets heated fast on msg boards. The more you use the forums, the more you’ll get use to learning how to deal with random people who seem to be arguing with you. There are like 100’s of annoying ass posts everyday… You’re just gonna have to learn to deal with them.

[shmy]

Blah blah, “I am Keith, HEAR ME ROAR!”

Damn, Keith you are right, I never knew that posting outside of BEARcade thread would be so frustrating.

Now that one guy is posting about how it’s hard to jump in on Sagat, that was just an example. Yes he makes his point but, it’s not the DAMN topic @ hand. ARRG!

Forget it, let’s just turn this thread into a “matchup strategy,” one. It’s already heading in that direction anyway.

I have to listen to the wise words of Keith, “You’re just going to have to learn to deal with it.”

[FreddyL0c0]

why turn this thread into a matchup strategy when one already exists…

[HoneyBBQGrundle]

Well there’s only so much you can say to someone who doesn’t like turtles, so if it gets into more detailed topics it should either be closed or let die. The Sagat thing is clearly relevant because it strongly suggests that you need to be more aggressive on the ground first. That will get him thinking enough so that you can jump in more.

[shmy]

Well there’s only so much you can say to someone who doesn’t like turtles, so if it gets into more detailed topics it should either be closed or let die. The Sagat thing is clearly relevant because it strongly suggests that you need to be more aggressive on the ground first. That will get him thinking enough so that you can jump in more.

It is not relevant to the topic, it is relevant to what you said it is relevant to, which is suggesting I need a stronger ground game. Which is advice I gladly welcome btw, I have by no means mastered any aspect of this lovely game, but…that doesn’t tie into the topic that I’ve repeated to Jin on numerous occasions. It’s a response to matchup strategy or just basic improvement thread.

Here let me ask you this, does me having a weak ground game equal turtles are skillful players?

It’s like if you worked at McDonald’s and ask a customer “Would you like to SUPER-SIZE that?” And they reply “CHEESEBURGER!”

[HoneyBBQGrundle]

Here let me ask you this, does me having a weak ground game equal turtles are skillful players?

Basically, whether someone turtles or rushes down has absolutely no bearing on if they’re good or not, it’s just the style they use while either being good or bad. With that said, the thread is pretty much covered and it will most likely branch off. If you haven’t done so already, maybe posting in the matchup thread or some other thread about how to beat turtles would be helpful.

[GunterJPN]

Another way to view turtles is that they are merely playing a mental game with their opponents. If I know that my opponent gets frustrated with turtles, I will turtle on them almost every time. Frustration causes errors, and errors are what give me openings. It’s just like how if you know that the opponent can only do the Sak or Bison CC facing one direction, you try to keep them on the opposite side. You put them out of their comfort zone. If someone is uncomfortable playing against a certain style, expose that by playing the style. The thing with fighting games is that there are a lot of levels to the game. One of them is the mental aspect, and choosing a fighting style (turtle or rushdown) goes along with it.

[Leezy]

Gunter=walk up activate!!! The secret is out!!! Mwuaaahhhhhh!!!

Oh Byron, no more McDonald’s analogies dude. Stick with sports. Though, I do want a quarter pounder right now…