Sorry I’m the worst with sending sarcasm unless I’m familiar with the person. I thought it was weird you posted that link after what you said lol.
just cause other things are killing people to doesn’t mean guns shouldnt be addressed. you’re just deflecting, which is what happens everytime people try to talk about guns. obviously breaking down the discussion of saving lives into individual causes will be more fruitful than always looking at the bigger picture of “preventing everything that kills people”
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Hmm.
Republican’s plan is to kill coloured folks or get them to leave the country.
Can’t tell if everyone is muttering in agreement or if they just released what he is saying.
I don’t think it’s about mental issues so much. Maybe for extreme mass shootings, but not for ‘regular’ gun violence. It’s a shame that people (not you in particular, I mean from a general perspective) have to find excuses such as mental illnesses or issues when it seems that most gun crime is done because people simply want to shoot another human being for a number of reasons.
The common acceptance of guns and people doing stupid shit with them does not make for a strong enough argument that links them to child medication imo. Unless you mean in relation to mass shootings only?
In the meantime I shall sit back and wait for the next shooting so I can point my finger on the internet again and say “haha only in america”.
The thing is they claim their goal is to save lives. Even if you stay on the topic of guns you can see that the weapons they want to ban aren’t the ones killing most people, not even close. Why didn’t they focus on this after the Colorado shooting? Is it because the election were coming up and Obama didn’t want to lose support from gun owners? I think so. It’s a political agenda, it’s not about saving lives. This tragedy was just the perfect storm right after election time.
It’s not the guns that are the problem, it’s the people. Addressing guns does nothing to save lives which is also one of the main points here. What’s to stop somebody from unloading on a bunch of kids with a shotgun or some handguns? This is another reason why the saving lives thing is bullshit. There’s plenty of things that can easily be done to save lives.
Anyway the federal gun ban is dead as far as I’m concerned, it’s not going to happen imo. NY did pass some stupid fucking laws though.
whether or not you agree with whether new restrictions on gun ownership will save lives I won’t really get into. Too complicated for me who doesn’t know shit. Just saying when you bring up separate issues or try to dissect motivations it just clouds up the discourse.
I’m curious though how much support Obama had from hardline gun enthusiasts. Around the time of his initial election and reelection gun sales spiked from fears he’d enact stricter gun laws but afaik he only recently started taking much action on it. It seems to me people heavily invested in gun rights were wary of Obama long before any of this.
Yeah people were aware but not everyone as far as I know. People were making the predictions a long time ago but most didn’t know/weren’t paying attention. Even during the debates when a woman asked him about gun control he said that he was more focused on growing the community as a whole (something along those lines) like with better schools and ect. to stop violence. He did say at the end of that statement that maybe he would try to reinstate an old assault weapons ban or something along those lines. It’s definitely well known that the left is more for gun control than the right.
It’s pretty well known that black people aren’t the ones doing mass shootings. In general most other shootings happen in fucked up neighborhoods, it’s just the truth. Who’s usually on welfare? People in fucked up poor neighborhoods. Why are people on welfare? Because they’re in poverty. What’s likely to happen a lot in places in poverty? Crimes… You have to be delusional to ignore that yet if anyone points it out they’re racist. It’s not about white/black or whatever, it’s about money. If you live in a rich neighborhood chances are you don’t have daily shootings on your streets.
If this guy is blaming mass shootings on people on welfare he is wrong. The thing is it only shows a brief clip. He could be talking of gun violence in general and this guy brings up all these white mass murderers. Fucking media always twisting shit to how they like it.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/ct-senator-says-games-influenced-sandy-hook-shooter-6402975
http://www.gamespot.com/news/gamers-need-to-quiet-down-says-ca-senator-6402953
http://www.gamespot.com/news/violent-game-bill-lives-on-6402949
Hmm, theses guys seem to pushing hard to make Gaming a scapegoat…
What’s new? People have been trying to do that since before Columbine.
I believe you issue is that literally 96% of the gun related homicides are NOT committed with these so called assault rifles. Yet the only thing that is being focused on is assault rifles. If you want to address gun related homicides it is negligent to say the least to ignore 96% of the cases. Imagine if there was a new flu epidemic. Let’s call it monkey flu. Well Monkey flu was responsible for 96% of the flu related deaths in America. Let’s say that figure was 10,000 a year. Imagine if the cdc decided to ignore the monkey flu but decided to try a vaccine that helped limit the other 4% yet did nothing at all to limit the spread of monkey flu. That’s exactly what is happening now. Yet politicians are spinning this as if going after the 4% is the right way to go.
Realistically… The only way to cut down on gun violence is to confiscate all guns. Or… address the social issues that cause this. Poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity for advancement…
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Confiscating all guns wouldn’t really reduce death’s either. If anything gun related homicides would go up because only illegally obtained weapons would be on the streets. Criminals would have a field day knowing that everyone who legally owned guns just got them taken away. I do agree with the rest of your post though.
Gun homicides will go down,
BUT, **BUT, **
its going to be things like suicide or the occasional ima steal daddy’s gun and shoot up the mall, due to simple statistics
To get a number like england, lol at peole thinking that’s even remotley possible in America, its going to take more than banning guns because of the gang problem. Homocides (the actual bulk of the inflated 12000 number for 2012) will remain high for years, because the number that Europeans and many stupid American cite as proof of needing change is largely composed of gang related crimes.
A lot of people are not going ot give up their arms, thus a lucrative black market will continue to exist due to the sheer volume of weapons that exist now. You won’t turn in your rilfe to the police for a slap in the face price exchange (guarantee it will be less than what the rifle is worth), but you will sell it for x2 x3 maybe x4 the price of what’s its worth. And with the US having a rampant gang problem, and some of those gangs being more and more interconnected with Mexican cartels for drugs, guns will continue to flow into the US regardless of laws and all you do is make the criminal element more money while slapping citizens with nonsense laws that promote false security perpetuated by a group of individuals who think they can dictate what people can and cannot own for whatever reasons they may have.
You sir are 100% correct. I’m actually… PRO GUNS. Hence why i said confiscate all guns. Which of course is not possible for reasons you listed. Without the elimination of all illegally obtained guns confiscation of legal guns is at best counter productive
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The less demand there is for guns from legitimate customers (e.g. in the case of a legal ban), the less guns will be manufactured. Therefore the less illegal sources there will be and the less accessible those illegal sources will be. There is something to be said for making it much harder for gangstas to do gangsta-ass shit.
I don’t advocate an across-the-board firearms ban, but the countries that have enacted such bans aren’t exactly swimming in illegal guns.
I’m not going to argue with that but I think it would be reasonable to say there would be a spike of violence during that very long time of guns being phased out. Though even if that could pretty much eliminate gun violence it would kind of even the playing field for good guys and bad guys. I really wouldn’t feel that confident with a knife or even a taser if debo kicked my door down to rape my girlfriend. I know you don’t advocate a gun ban I’m just saying.
this discussion just became a bit more interesting:
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so a gun and a gun walk into a bar…
Pew, pew! Who farted?