You would think God’s chosen buttmonkey would at least proofread the shit he types. Jesus Fucking Christ(No pun intended)
Most terms are at least one of those things, and a lot of them are both. That does not mean that the term is worthless or not useful.
I would say that this makes quite a bit of sense.
So instead of wasting my time with the bullshit parts of the post, I’m going to reply to the parts that aren’t moronic.
And that’s that.
SO MUCH FAIL!
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true; it was a lazily thought out sentence in lieu of actually describing the genesis of the politically motivated term 'assault weapon’
when you peep that and why tthe term was purposely made ambiguous to blur the definition of assault rifles, along with the work arounds that gun manufacturers devised to skirt the politicians definition of the term, it really does illustrate the somewhat arbitrary boundaries (uselessness) of the term
esspecially when most people (even talking heads on tv) dont seem to even to know what the term refers to when they use it; Apparently the term has served its politically motivated purpose.
no?
Oh ya, i forgot. Christians can’t post stuff like that because killing is really against Jesus/religion because of the demand for morality… so posting stuff like is something an unbeliever would do. Thanks for the reminder 
Yeah but lets be honest here, in a conversation that escalates past “poor kids and teachers/administration” and moves to “gun control” - its not about the past - its about ‘the next time’. A guy with a handgun running into - say a high school - will get stopped before putting down 20 odd people.
Its all m00t points though. Its already out there. Its not like the gov’t can go around and collect every single “debatable” gun - they don’t even know o 1/3 of them I’d wager.
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Nope, and if those shops didn’t have those guns then it would be a different discussion. As well, it doesn’t matter what you have, if you have an angry mob with guns coming at you for whatever reason, nothing short of a personal turret is mowing them down without you taking the ‘L’.
As for guns, I don’t know, I can’t even explain it - I’ve been fortunate enough to not lose anyone ‘close’ to gun violence. Its just the idea of someone having ‘the power of god’ that I don’t like. Remember the DC Sniper? There was absolutely nothing I could have done. His killing was akin to God saying “I’m done with you”. to not have a chance to even defend yourself just reeks of injustice. I don’t even understand the need for them, its nothing more than an arms race after a while. Would it be cool to go to a firing range - yeah - I’ve always wanted to do that as a ‘date’, but to actually have one in my house? Honestly, I’d rather be robbed - than to live with the idea of killing someone over my possessions.
But, its a civil liberty. There are people who like guns for completely ‘fun’ reasons. There are people who use them to go hunting, or just for target practice. I am not going to let my dislike of them - make me feel as though I need to take something away from them. I have friends who feel they should use them for security (I disagree but stay quiet about it - its their decision) - and that’s their right, but if laws can be put in place that force them to actually be GOOD and follow proper…err…?decorum? when it comes to management - then I’m all for it.
I just deal with it, but I’m not going to pretend like I like guns. The shit is like nuclear power. Oh its all good and gravy when ‘our friends’ have this efficient power osurce, but when Iran down the street gets that discount too, we got problems.
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For those that think getting rid of high capacity clips will prevent mass shootings.
Someone switching through three clips in two seconds.
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Yet you’re fine with the government having this power?
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There is literally no reason why the USA should be able to tell people who can have nuclear power and who can’t. If it’s the bomb that is the problem, as soon as every nuclear armed nation moves towards disarmament then we can have a discussion.
It’s not sinking in yet. NO ONE is saying that it becomes ‘impossible’. It becomes more difficult. Look at Dante in the MvC3 universe. In the first one, his good shit required double motions and more precise execution. He was cool and still pretty strong, so people used him…however in UMvC3 - they simplified it and made it easier. the result? A ton of people picked him up therafter. Look at Seth in SF4 series. With each ‘nerf’ he recieved, the pool of people who played as him shrunk. The point being, you will always have people who can do things like that, but what you want to do is deter the majority of people and make it difficult enough that it becomes something ‘trackable’ and thus - preventable - or even so difficult that the chances of it happening diminish.
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Slippery slope and has nothing to do with my point. Unless we bicker to the point of true civil unrest and ultimately civil war - it doesn’t mean shit if the gov’t has the power. I don’t care what means of gun is used against other nations with regards to this topic, and I have no concern about the gov’t even having them internally. Anytime someone in gov’t has shot to kill someone - no matter the type of gun (oscar grant) its overkill as they are typically highly trained. Highly trained with a 22 will put my ass down with an AK. And even getting political about hte role of gov’t - one of the most important roles of gov’t is to protect us wether it be from the outside world or from ourselves. So in short? I don’t give a kcuf. Even stretching the discussion conceptually to something like capital punishment - I don’t believe its within our rights to kill someone - that’s for god to take care of, but I also understand that (1) he works threw us at times and (2) sometimes the alternative isn’t any better.
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I’m with you. Unfortunately, its still all tied to politics - tied to bloodshed - tied to religion and prejudices…common sense will forever be lacking, and compromise is hardly ever a successful option. Until there is a way to actually UNITE the world in a peaceful manner its going to be a problem. So long as countries feel they have to ally/align/protect other countries, its going to be an issue. It would be awesome if we could let folks use nuc power and even share/distribute that power over large power grids tied to green resources, but that’s nothing more than a pipe dream.
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sigh… kids killed and still no one has come up with ways to help protect the kids. We are losing kids to stupid shyt in these times an here we are fightin over other shyt…
gun “control” - ban the assault weapon if you want… i own an gun (legally… by rule… background checks an all) an dont care. Cause…cause if I WANT one I will ALWAYS be able to obtain one. If I had a guy at the gun range sayin cant’ wait till I get another one shipped here… im sorry you can get what youre lookin for youll just pay the additional ‘service fee’
back to kids… as far as school… I thought schools locked their doors and you had to be confirmed and buzzed in otherwise you can’t get in? If not I think all schools need to implement this for kids of young age (daycares/preschool/elementary). Cause not just idiots shooting up but people that will snatch kids…
I like how the ad at the top of my screen is for some kind of rifle scope.
Thank you adsense. Hilarious.
I mean she definitely needed the guns for protection, look how crazy her kid was.
The dude what made IWBTG, Kayin, wrote this, and it’s relevant to the discussion:
That is debatable whether or not it would more difficult without the AR. The glock that he had carried 17 rounds. The Sig also has a 17 round clip for it. I believe 34 shots is enough to murder 26 people without reloading. He could have walked into anywhere undetected with handguns whereas the “assault rifle” would cause panic anywhere when spotted. Let’s say he had 4 handguns. He is now up to 68 rounds without reloading…heck 72 if he has one in the chamber of each gun. We are now up to 72 shots without a single reload. How about with a high capacity ban on handguns… He would still have 44 rounds. Feel safer?
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But what’s important with that first part, it requires you to take additional steps, it requires you to know someone to attain something conceptually illegal, all those ‘obstacles’ - are the types of things that could concievably save lies. Sure, if someone really wants to do something and really plans it out - anything is possible, but again - the goal is to stop the guy who just got fired from grabbing something real quick, coming back that day and whipping out the whole office.
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Naw. They’ve made steps here and there, and some schools are worse/better than others, but its really location. Bad neighborhood - they keep everything locked up to keep the negative element out (though that element isn’t the type to do what just happend ironically, and wil lget what they want ‘after’ school real talk), but in the good neighborhoods? You can just walk in. My wife’s school - they panicked when they saw me yesterday because they didn’t know who I was and the lady ‘near’ the door couldn’t stop a kid from throwing a pencil. As a big black guy - I’ve learned to smel lfear - and even AFTER finding out who I was - they still reeked of it. Only thing I can think of doing moving forward is to teach my son what to do in a situation like that. And If they were real robbers - Macaulay Culkin - would be dead - that fake shit won’t work, but its really on us as parents to wise’n up our kids at an early age, because - again - if someone REALLY wants to do something - they will.
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sigh…still not sinking in.
Its not about whats possible. ANYTHING is possible - especially with enough prep and research. The goal is to make it more difficult. Yeah, you’re right - if he had 4 handguns he concievably would have that many shots lined up without reload. But considering this guy apparently took the gun off his mom or whatever…we have to throw REALITY into the equation. This shit aint hte Matrix were folks pull a bag of loaded guns off a shelf at will and fuck up an office building. An impromptu gun spree will involve one gun…maybe two. How many people do you know keep more than 2 guns? I’m not saying they don’t exist, but most people who have guns typically have one, with some having two…but thats it. So if Ralph gets let go and goes home and pulls something off the shelf, he mroe than likely only has 17 bullets. Not 72. 17.
It doesn’t matter if it was a handgun or not, even with a silencer - guns are loud as shit. In a SCHOOL BUILDING? The first shot would have been heard by the entire front area. Its not concealed once used…so that in iteself doesn’t make it ‘more dangerous’.
And as for how many people get put down? that again goes into the REALITY of future sitautions. The DC sniper was military trained if I remember. He practiced for a substantial amount of time. He was NOT going to miss. Now Ralph - who’s baby mother just won the case and is taking their son away from him grabs a gun off the shelf, is feeling ‘emotional’ about everything, and is untrained with what he is doing? He is not (1) going 17/17, (2) more than likely NOT getting ‘fatal’ shots, and (3) - comapred to what just happend, this dude was putting 2 shots in each kid.
Just STOP trying to ‘justify’ your stance by saying that the murderous function of one gun is the same as another. Of course you can put rosy glasses on and paint a picture where they are just as effective - in ST its possible to beat Akuma. In SF4 Gief can beat Sagat. But its purely because a situation is setup that ‘allows’ that to happen. If perfectly played, you aren’t beating ST Akuma. If perfectly played, Gief does not beat Sagat (that may have changed since I ‘retired’ but its merely an illustration). Lets cut the bullshit. If you like guns and want to keep the shit or want ot get the shit ‘whatever’ - just effing say it. There is NOTHING wrong with liking them or wanting them, but STOP trying to ‘justify’ it as more than it really is.
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What this dude does with an apparently well-polished high level of skill, any random turd with a grudge and a head full of bad wiring can do with a high-capacity automatic weapon.
A small request to any and all in the thread: stop pretending that there is no difference between killing someone with a gun and killing them with a shoelace/ninja star/the Force/whatever, no difference between a relatively small handgun and a much more powerful military-grade weapon, no difference between a shooting of one or two victims and a shooting of dozens, etc. This is a shitty rhetorical device that you are hiding behind in order to dodge the conversation instead of participate in it.
FORA.TV have a talk about mental illness and gun crime - http://fora.tv/2012/11/01/Stopping_Violent_Gun_Crimes_by_Addressing_Mental_Illness/Mental_Illness_Causes_More_Violent_Gun_Crime_
Is there a difference? Absolutely. Will someone that is deranged and desperate resort to extreme measures? Yes. Banning “assault weapons” and high capacity magazines will not stop someone who is determined. That person will at worst be limited to 11 rounds per gun. If they carry 4 guns that is still 44 rounds WITHOUT RELOADING which is more than enough for a mass shooting. You are mistaken if you believe otherwise. The argument keeps coming up that having these weapons and high capacity magazines will solve the issue this simply isn’t the case. Much more extreme measures will have to be taken. I believe “assault rifles” and high capacity magazines will be banned to please the masses but it won’t solve the issue.
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