What’s the wear and tear going to be on these? It can fit standard JLF/LS-32 etc springs, what type of actuators does it use? I read that it doesn’t use standard optical sensors but something else, it’s good for many years of use I’m guessing?
Also it comes standard with a square gate?
Jlf springs
Custom actuator/shaft
It uses hall effect sensors/magnets:
“A Hall effect sensor is a transducer that varies its output voltage in response to a magnetic field. Hall effect sensors are used for proximity switching, positioning, speed detection, and current sensing applications.”
Interesting, I’m guessing hall effect sensors last as long as optical sensors but can’t find anything on it’s rated life with my short search
It’s a modified JLF with a modified shaft. If you use it with the switches attached so you can hear the clicks, it’ll likely take a standard JLF actuator. It’s not IR sensors, but hall effect, which is basically magnets registering its location. The wear and tear will be minimum, and likely will last longer than your standard switch, so long as you remember to use some grease over the years for the shaft pivot and keep an eye on your spring.
Hal effect senors.
It works off magnetism (think magnetic actuator) and sensors on the PCB to read the magnetic fields.
The Sega made Dreamcast Controllers uses the same concept.
Will the assembly of the body/shaft be lower than an actual jlf if you decide to go without microswitches? Just wondering if this will be useful for modding smaller sticks. Either way I’ll be getting mine…this thing sounds awesome.
IIRC it’s deeper than a JLF–I doubt this will fit in a Namco.
You can go with or without micro switches? with micro switches is it just for the click feel or do they actually work along with the hal sensor?
Sounds interesting, going to be neat when people start posting their settings of sticks already on the market for people that want to have all their old sticks in one.
Something’s weird. Bryan clearly said some time ago on this same thread the design was inductive
, plus the various iterations of the PCB seemed to show an inductive loop in the middle, unless the circles were/are decorative prints destined to evoke visually the actuation range and finetuning to the customer.
He did also say later that the final board underwent a redesign phase. To what extent only he and the co designers know, the website says the actual sensing design is hall based, but I’m weary of said descriptions on the shop site as it’s not always Bryan who writes them afaik.
I have the stick and have had it for months now, its hall effect.
I might end up getting this but I want to know where I can get a 5v source on my UFB since I have one installed on my VLX
The easiest one is the VCC screw terminal, you can also piggy bank off of the USB V through hole pin as well and the other VCC pins as well.
The quote I took was from 4+ years ago, it would be interesting to have Bryan’s insight on switching from inductive protos to hall effect for final release. Both have their pros and cons anyways.
If I’m not mistaken, he did obtain a nos Suzo inductive at the time , perhaps then it motivated him to go inductive for his own project. I was just curious to know what made him change his mind.
What would the cons be of an inductive stick and hall effect stick?
ahhk good to know thanks.
@Tensho
I’ll give you a brief overview via PM.
Both technologies are used in high grade industrial joystick designs and even other contactless techs are emerging .
Depends on a lot of factors, generally for leisure applications the major consideration is cost, compatibility with existing accessories/standards and ease of use.
Inductive vs Hall effect
Very similar principals involved, both are dealing with and detecting magnetic fields
But here is the difference
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/inductive-hall-effect-rpm-sensors-explained-kiril-mucevski/
Inductive sensors produce (some) voltage and outputs an analog AC (alternating current) waveform signal
Hall effect sensors require voltage to be supplied and typically outputs a Square wave (Digital).
Obviously Project Magenta is inspired by Inductive Joysticks of the past like the Suzo Inductive.
Changing from induction to Hall Effect was just a natural part the development cycle. The Joystick still uses magnetic fields to detect input the way an optical joystick uses some waveform of light.
I know pretty well the difference thank you 
Everyone seems to speak on Bryan’s behalf, with very vague or basic information…
It would be nice to have some insight on the development stage directly from the source, if he’s willing of course.
By the way, you are mistaken about hall sensors, they do not ouput digital per se as you claim (you claim hall= digital and inductive = analog…) .
The sheet you posted is about RPM hall sensors, which is an application that diverges strongly from sensing the actuator end piece fastened to a joystick shaft in a modded sanwa JLF.
Hall sensors are analog due to their nature, some special chips have a hall sensor+AD converter integrated for the sake of miniaturization and only these special “all in one” hall effect chips will output a digital signal. some hall chips integrate even other functions than just converting to digital .
If there’s no miniature converter within the chip, it’s the circuit built -around- the hall sensor(s) that will convert (if there is the need) the hall effect analog signal to digital.
You should have read the official announcement concerning the magenta “an analog to digital” device.