Possible SSF4:AE Match Up Changes For & Against Lord Bison

If I drop Bison, the top reason would be picking up a more offense oriented character. If U2 stays charge motion, it’s kinda Capcom’s way of saying, “We really want you to just play Bison *this *way instead.” I really just want to connect with some characters and just play it my way. I felt great rushing and poking people out, and then forward throw -> Ultra 2 50/50 and bampf, land it on their gut. Game over. If it missed? Dash back. Yeah I am okay with the recovery nerf. It’s kinda too good to be true lol.

If it is charge then I’m just gonna be like, rush, poke and sit back or win without really using the Ultra even if I have the meter. It’s things like that which annoy me. You look at tons of other characters and even they get damaged to like 50% and have a sufficient Ultra meter, they will pull off something and finish off the other guy. Bison’s setups are all reactionary, so if the opportunity comes, it comes. If it doesn’t, it won’t, and that’s the end of the match. A lot of other characters create those opportunities for themselves. I’ll likely switch to a character of that nature.

There’s nothing wrong or bad with the character, it’s just the way you’re kinda limited to winning with.

^ I switched to Seth for somewhat the same reason… he is a LOT more rushdown oriented and creative than Bison and much more satisfying (and frustrating).

Traitor!

Then again, I do like Juri, but even she has problems.

+1 for tonylew

A lot of people are playing dic because they wanted an offense-driven charge character, instead they have a footsie/poke character like Chun and Rose, only slightly more offensive because he has SK instead of fireballs.

I wonder if there will be any other changes. It’s still too early to know what SF4.2 Bipson will look like. Wait and see…

double post

Now he’s gonna switch from Seth

lol How does it feel to have both your arms cut off?!?

Bisons still my character when i go to tournys :stuck_out_tongue: i just havent used him since Evo since my stick is broken so I just started working on Seth.

and i dont want to talk about Seths arms :annoy:

I hope they give him an Overhead. PP was useless against good players anyway it was more a deterrent, with the new charge motion it serves that same function. When I started SSF4 I had already forgotten about ultras anyway, 90% of my SF4 matches were won without a single ultra. Most 09ers will see it like that

I didn’t post your videos to try and discredit your argument about Bison’s ultra inputs. I posted that shit because you came in here dropping the terms ‘noob’ and ‘scrub’ as if you aren’t those things yourself. Ok, Fei/Guile/Ken aren’t your mains, but damn, that footage is ass. You don’t hit-confirm (or you hit-confirm into bizarre combo enders), you consistently do wildly unsafe shit, there’s pretty much no evidence of any matchup knowledge…

Obviously you’re entitled to your opinion about Bison’s ultra. But to state that argument in the crotch-grabbing terms of ‘noob’ and ‘scrub’… well, “there’s an expression for that sort of shit” -> being delusional.

Stay humble.

CvS2 overhead would be godlike

^ Lol i remember how badly people (including me) were asking for that in that SSF4 Bison thread before Super came out… our cries went unheard :frowning:

and before someone posts “IT WASNT AN OVERHEAD IN CVS2 IDIOT”

solution: make it an overhead

Yes, give it all its CVS 2 properties plus overhead. I can forgive the tragic change of U2 to a charge motion then, if we get Psycho Vanish.

If I could take one thing out of CVS2 Bison and drop it onto SSF4 Bison, it would be the Psycho Crusher and not Psycho Banish. That crap chips like 3 hits and flies two fucking screens across. SSF4 EX-Psycho is just one screen. :frowning:

The deterrent factor was mostly the fact it was a motion ultra, meaning the other person knew we could activate it on the drop of a hat. As a charge move most of the deterrent factor is gone as it will be way too obvious when we are charging for it since we can’t combo into it j.mpx2 does not count. Yeah its what we all dealt with in Vanilla to some extent but it is still annoying to be given a great tool, one thats pretty easy to beat outside of the 50/50 setups only to basically see it taken away.

I wouldn’t mind headstomp and dr getting the vs series treatment and becoming less flaky on the tracking :stuck_out_tongue:

I think making it a charge is a pretty big thing. Just having his U2 sitting there would completely change the fight for most chars. Now being a charge move, it wont be as intimidating as it used to be. Like it has been said several times already, it wasnt like it was ever really relied on for anything except a mental advantage. The Boss is still going to be one bad MF, but like Kerry said earlier, “Welcome back to vanilla”. But I am Bison lifer, so I would play him even if he could only do s.RH!

I say give Bison the Psycho Shot. That’s right, I said it.

Frame advantage on lk sk and mk sk not this even bs we get. He still really isnt a feared character. So maybe givung this will destroy ppl in the corner. Plz give skull driver a better hit box to punish ppl accordingly. Overhead would make his corner game gdlk as would a better prioritized hell attack. Maybe dictators zero 3 air throw. I would rather have pp be his super than ultra. I mean when do you really need to land a super inless u want to be fashly? I know I fogot something but im going to watch resident evil now

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YES, and make it so that EX version crumples to combo into ultra 1 and 2

DO IT CAPCOM

This. Think about it, you get an ultra if you’re getting your ass kicked, if im truly playing Bison correctly that shouldn’t be happening.