Pokemon X and Y: Aftermath (GEN 6 Discussion, Tier Talk, Breeding, Meganite)

Things gets banned simply because it creates an unhealthy and overcentralizing metagame if left alone. If certain pokes like Mewtwo or Palkia were allowed in standard, they would be on every single team to the point where people would have to tailor multiple their teams just to counter that one Pokemon. Even during the Garchomp era when it had Sand Veil legal, most teams basically consisted of:

Stealth Rocker (usually T-tar)
Garchomp
Garchomp counter
Backup Garchomp counter
Counter to the opponent’s Garchomp counter
Random sweeper

This makes for a very boring and stale metagame, where people want to play it safe rather than exploring new Pokemon and sets. Smogon (and others like Pokemon Online) go by usage statistics largely, as well as what Pokes are being used with another Poke as teammates etc. It’s not because a small group of people want to control everything, it’s that in actuality, and statistically, “A” Pokemon or strategy is become so prevalent, people are forced to use “B” Pokemon to stay competitive.

As for eliminating randomness, yes, moves Double Team and OHKO moves get removed because ultimately, players want a healthy metagame where games are factored mostly on skill. Yes, there’s the random element to everything (critical hits, misses, secondary effects on moves occurring), but helping a little helps the game from being a literal clusterfuck. People can play the game however they want, whether professionally or just slapping whatever pokes together. It doesn’t matter as long as you’re having fun.

I will say I am NO FAN of Double Team.

Made Juan’s Kingdra in Emerald a LOT tougher than it had to be.

shofu is the only one I watch… He’s just entertaining to watch, knowledgeable, knows what he’s doing. Not to mention he BODYBAGS people lol

Double

Remembering Juan’s Kingdra makes me wonder if there’s a list of the toughness of Gym Leaders from all 5 Gens.

So wait.

They changed the resistances but still felt compelled to add a new type? And Ice is still weak to rock?

Fuck you, Gamefreak.

While I question Smogon’s choices, Moody was fucking stupid no matter how you try to spin it.

I understand why you would feel that way, but there are counters for it- Typically a Moody mon will use Protect first turn, Substitute on the next and alternate between them… Feint the Protect/Boost your stats/Make a Sub with the free turn, Snatch the Sub/Smack it as hard as possible second turn. Rinse and Repeat.
You could cancel the ability with Worry Seed/Gastro Acid, you could copy the stat changes for yourself with Psych Up or everybody’s favorite, Imposter Ditto. You could use a mon with Unaware(completely ignores stat changes on the opponent)… and a few more options I can’t think of right now.

Cue someone saying that Unaware ‘forces’ you to run one of those counters or lose, ignoring the dozens of other situations and strategies that ‘require’ you having a counter or lose, like Specs Draco Meteor, SD/Sub Garchomp, Bulky Gyarados, not using a team that’s heavily Stealth Rock weak, or etc…

Except those are extremely specialized/unconventional counters most teams can’t even afford to run, not to mention DW Ditto wasn’t released yet. If you have to create extremely specialized counters for something (Focus Sash, Magic Guard, Trick Room Reuniclus to take out Speed Boost Blaziken) or resorting to unconventional moves (Feint lol), it’s broken. It’s worth noting that Moody also gives evasion boosts, which automatically stupid.

I’ll agree on the Specs Draco Meteor part (Chomp can’t get free subs with Sand Veil anymore and gets checked by anything faster once the sub is broken, Gyarados gets checked by Rotom-W and Kyurem-B, and a multitude of other things), all thanks to the power creep, which is why I think this Fairy type will be a good thing. Slapping Specs on a Latios and clicking Draco Meteor offers very little risk (unless the opponent has a Pokemon with Pursuit, which you can scout thanks to Team Preview) and massive reward. It’s the same with Terrakion and Keldeo. Hopefully Choice items will be used more intelligently like they were designed to do. Back in Gen 3, there was only Choice Band, and not a lot of high-powered physical moves outside of Earthquake, which meant prediction was key to making those pokes succeed. Now instead of thinking carefully on what move to choose, it’s just “spam whatever high-power STAB move you have till you overwhelm the opposition”.

That’s why you start with Treeko. :coffee:

Fuck Whitney’s Miltank, fuck claire’s Kingdra, fuck sabrina’s alakazam, I don’t remember gen 3 or 4 gym leaders all that well unfortunately lol.

in gen 3 I remember getting bodied by the twins Solrock and Lunatone

gen 4 was easy for me

Treeko/Sceptile don’t do shit against Kingdra. Or did you forget it has Ice Beam and is neutral to Grass Types due to Dragon Typing?

Kingdra’s an asshole anyway. Mr. “I’m only weak to my own element”… There’s a reason they didn’t give Gyarados Water/Dragon like they originally planned back in the Red/Green development stage…

It wouldn’t have been that annoying but it had fucking Double Team and Water Pulse on top of Juan having a Hyper Potion/Full Restore (I forget which) on deck.

It’s not even a hard fight, it’s just fucking long and annoying.

Juan’s Kingdra also had ChestoRest.

Swampert, Swellow/Crobat, and Magneton were the only real Pokemon I needed to get through Hoenn. And then there was Tropius:

Just replace Rock Smash over Fly.

Oh that’s right, it did have fucking Chesto Rest…GAHHHHHH! Fuck you Juan.

Seriously, Gym Leader Difficulty/Annoyance list NOW

EDIT: @Valaris

delete this maybe?

Phone messed up, my bad.

Kingdra doesn’t get STAB from Ice Beam. It’s a 2HKO on Sceptile at ~ Lv. 45. Leaf Blade/Giga Drain on the first turn, take Ice Beam into Overgrow range, finish the job with Leaf Blade once more.

I just played through Emerald Juan was free.

Tropious is the best HM bitch ever.

Kingdra went crazy for awhile, but his bases are sorta average and he needs it to rain in order to do anything.