Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale Announced

[XtraKurrikula]

Try Hello Kitty Island Adventure they are both about equally stimulating and difficult.

Thanks I’ll check it out

[Mr.X]

Without taking sides, I think you’re being a tad too harsh. SynikaL’s not shitting on anything, he’s relaying how he feels about the sorts of cultures that tend to make these games and which he thinks is best suited.

You’re giving him too much credit. He’s just came right out the gate saying this game won’t be better than Smash or won’t be good because it’s not made by the Japanese. I can see if he said the game won’t be good because of something about the game that we know but he used the “Japan makes better games” card.

[SynikaL]

“Psuedointellectual”! Damn, that made my dick go limp! Hadn’t seen that one in ages! There I was, getting off on my own self-masturbatory tendencies when all of a sudden my browser crashed, giving me the worst case of blue balls!

Here’s how you know someone is full of shit, in list format, no less, because I’m merciful and clever:

1. They use the word intelligence as though it can be quantified
2. They say absolutely nothing, in almost every sense of the word
3. Appeasement is impossible to them (women lay eggs, men “pseudointellecutalize”)
4. They fail to address any aspect of an argument or any statement made in a body of text with controverting evidence
5. They make shit up and fling it
6. They become tripe in their list-making
7. An awkward/unnatural infatuation with peculiar red herrings

You can spot 1 - 7 in this one list:

“1. They insult other people’s intelligence
(like triforce)
2. They manage to say little or nothing by saying a lot
(like triforce)
3. Appeasement is impossible to them (this is more pertinent for women, men are just stubborn as fuck)
(like triforce)
4. They end up contradicting themselves
(like triforce)
5. They make shit up
(like triforce)
6. They get overripe and painfully obvious in their delivery
(like triforce)
7. Awkward / unnatural word usage.
(like triforce)”

Now, I don’t know about you, but when it comes to spotting bullshit - I’m an expert. I’ve spent 8 years observing fantastical pricks on a top 10 fighting game forum. I organize the yearly conventions at Otakon and everything.

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Mind projection is one hell of a drug.

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(triforce)

You’re giving him too much credit. He’s just came right out the gate saying this game won’t be better than Smash or won’t be good because it’s not made by the Japanese. I can see if he said the game won’t be good because of something about the game that we know but he used the “Japan makes better games” card.

The sad part is that I tend to put you in the class of more reasonable people on these boards.

Yes, I’m blatantly pessimistic due to the pedigree, but never did I state the game won’t be better than Smash or it will be bad because it’s non-Japanese, categorically. Subtle distinctions but massively important details that threaten the nature of my position.

“Japan makes better games” card? Pathetic, oversimplifying and ridiculous. Really, had I not a history of defending Smash here or a Smash avatar, my pessimism wouldn’t even be a problem. If this forum, of all places, needs convincing that japanese developers tend to develop games differently from western developers, this forum is truly hopeless.

[tataki]

I think it’s absurd that in a world where SNK, Capcom and Arc Sys exist, such an obviously self-serving corporation like Nintendo dominates 4 player fighting games.

Because why bother with inferior genres?

[Mr.X]

“Japan makes better games” card? Pathetic, oversimplifying and ridiculous. Really, had I not a history of defending Smash here or a Smash avatar, my pessimism wouldn’t even be a problem. If this forum, of all places, needs convincing that japanese developers tend to develop games differently from western developers, this forum is truly hopeless.

Different game developers develop games differently!

It’s not a West vs East thing. I wish it was because Platinum Games and SEGA wouldn’t be the only people I buy good games from that aren’t fighters.

I’m only curious about this game, close to not caring. I found 1 article I didn’t see posted during my browsing and I just found your posts hilarious.

[Rekano]

…hmmm. I dunno how I really feel about supers = KO, thus being the only way to score a KO(from what I’ve been reading, unless I missed something).

Still looks like a good time though. I wonder if they’ll have alternate inputs so you can play with an arcade stick?

Hi, SynikaL! waves

[SynikaL]

Different game developers develop games differently!

It’s not a West vs East thing. I wish it was because Platinum Games and SEGA wouldn’t be the only people I buy good games from that aren’t fighters.

Of course it is. At least, it can be. Are you really going to sit there and tell me there aren’t cultural differences between the East and West that effect how they make games? Especially in consideration of the market today, with Western publishers/developers dominating in terms of market share, the shrinking Japanese console market, the outsourcing of Japanese IPs to the West, etc, etc.? Really? You’re openly denying this?

Sup, Rek! Nice to see a cheery forumite that’s not always caught up in the bullshit!

[Mr.X]

Of course it is. At least, it can be. Are you really going to sit there and tell me there aren’t cultural differences between the East and West that effect how they make games? Especially in consideration of the market today, with Western publishers/developers dominating in terms of market share, the shrinking Japanese console market, the outsourcing of Japanese IPs to the West, etc, etc.? Really? You’re openly denying this?

Sup, Rek! Nice to see a cheery forumite that’s not always caught up in the bullshit!

Don’t change topics.

Both are plagued by sequelitis.
Both are suffering to rise of development cost and the rise of mobile gaming, the East suffering more than the West to the latter.

Regardless, I’m saying what you proposed is not an East vs West thing.

I can’t imagine this being any good. This is Japanese developer territory, imo. American developers don’t seem to have the cultural quirk necessary to create something as fantastic (in the visionary sense) as Smash Bros. .

Culture effects everything, saying you need to be Japanese to make a game this good or be able to capture this element is horseshit. That would be the developers philosophies, which can be whatever regardless of your location. Being Japanese doesn’t make you awesome at making JRPGs, I’m pretty sure someone in the West could make an awesome JRPG and someone in the East can make an awesome WRPG (Dragon Dogma seems pretty nifty).

Who else other than Capcom is outsourcing IPs to the West?

[Jamp]

Who else other than Capcom is outsourcing IPs to the West?

Nintendo, Square and Sony to some extent.

[Mr.X]

Nintendo, Square and Sony to some extent.

Which games?

[MetuulGuitarist7]

Surprise! It turns out Microsoft is also developing a crossover title starring its most popular characters. Here is a leaked screenshot:

Spoiler

You forgot the Gears of War Characters

[TakFR]

I’m pretty sure someone in the West could make an awesome JRPG and someone in the East can make an awesome WRPG

Dark Souls, enough said

[Shwaffles]

No one said they couldn’t. Somewhat ironically, I just don’t think Western studios house the cultural inclinations that make games like this seem novel to a Western audience. Aesthetically, the game is already chasing Japanese standards. I’d love to be wrong, but much of it already looks contrived. A lot of the problem is much of SONY’s IP aren’t as powerful in how they resonate. Little Big Planet is one of the few Western developed IPs that hosts a novel, light-hearted, and genuinely creative aesthetic, with characters that evoke an emotional response from the audience. Would you really put Radec from fucking Killzone in the same class?

Also, we all know about how that game controls in relation to traditional, Japanese, 2D platformers - not that the less than precise controls don’t work for that game, necessarily. But the game’s floaty, imprecision does have its plentiful detractors.

Idiots will see this as me putting Melee/Smash on a pedestal, but it’s simply me holding this new IP to the standards it was clearly inspired by. The differences between Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter are evident and a lot of them manifest themselves due to the cultural differences in how the respective developers feel a game should look and play. When it comes to the genre of fighting games, Japanese sensibilities traditionally win the battle and so the tastes of the genre’s fans go. Telling me japanese developers can make a bad game is meaningless.

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Finally, the Ignore Function works.

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I actually really want to see this game come out well. I think it’s absurd that in a world where SNK, Capcom and Arc Sys exist, such an obviously self-serving corporation like Nintendo dominates 4 player fighting games. There needs to be more competition in this space.

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You are one of the very reasons why, us, melee players will never ever get any respect. You need to stop thinking that melee is this perfect, infallible game. Honestly, I hope you never give this new game chance. Less snobs playing it, the better.

[Jamp]

Which games?

Nintendo would be Metroid and Donkey Kong given to Retro Studios, Square was trying to make a western FF if I recall correctly - but it was cancelled - and Sony basically only has western IPs nowadays.

None of them are trying as hard as Capcom though, but the effort is there.

[Hawkingbird]

Who else other than Capcom is outsourcing IPs to the West?

Konami has outsourced their IPs as well. Silent Hill and Castlevania have been outsourced.

[Mr.X]

Nintendo would be Metroid and Donkey Kong given to Retro Studios, Square was trying to make a western FF if I recall correctly - but it was cancelled - and Sony basically only has western IPs nowadays.

None of them are trying as hard as Capcom though, but the effort is there.

Sony always had Santa Monica, afaik none of the games from there were outsourced to them they are original IPs.
Metroid: Other M was Team Ninja, Japanese studio. Donkey Kong has been developed by the West since DKC (Rare is British, remember?).
Making a game for the West =/= outsourcing

Konami has outsourced their IPs as well. Silent Hill and Castlevania have been outsourced.

I knew I was right in thinking Konami did, I just forgot the game

[SynikaL]

Don’t change topics.

Both are plagued by sequelitis.
Both are suffering to rise of development cost and the rise of mobile gaming, the East suffering more than the West to the latter.

Regardless, I’m saying what you proposed is not an East vs West thing.

Culture effects everything, saying you need to be Japanese to make a game this good or be able to capture this element is horseshit. That would be the developers philosophies, which can be whatever regardless of your location. Being Japanese doesn’t make you awesome at making JRPGs, I’m pretty sure someone in the West could make an awesome JRPG and someone in the East can make an awesome WRPG (Dragon Dogma seems pretty nifty).

Who else other than Capcom is outsourcing IPs to the West?

Maybe had I not presented my pessimism so strongly, you wouldn’t feel the need to attribute absolutes like “need” in regards to my position. Obviously, the team doesn’t “need” to be Japanese to make this game good. My point; history has shown that the East finds more success creating these types of games than the West. I attempted to give what I believe are reasons - quirky presentation and aesthetics (when viewed from a Western perspective) and more familiarity with successful 2D fighting game and platformer design.

Also, if the bolded were the rule and not the exception, social sciences would have zero foundation.

I’m done here. I remain skeptical but hopeful regarding this game.

[Nini_Heart]

…should i feel ahshame i want to main fat princess?..her character design is interesting.

yes, you’re a terrible person for wanting a cute cake eating princess to fight the likes of kratos

[Hawkingbird]

Maybe had I not presented my pessimism so strongly, you wouldn’t feel the need to attribute absolutes like “need” in regards to my position. Obviously, the team doesn’t “need” to be Japanese to make this game good. My point; history has shown that the East finds more success creating these types of games than the West. I attempted to give what I believe are reasons - quirky presentation and aesthetics (when viewed from a Western perspective) and more familiarity with successful 2D fighting game and platformer design.

Also, if the bolded were the rule and not the exception, social sciences would have zero foundation.

I’m done here. I remain skeptical but hopeful regarding this game.

Care to provide examples? I can’t remember any Western developer that has made this type of game.

[Mr.X]

Maybe had I not presented my pessimism so strongly, you wouldn’t feel the need to attribute absolutes like “need” in regards to my position. Obviously, the team doesn’t “need” to be Japanese to make this game good. My point; history has shown that the East finds more success creating these types of games than the West. I attempted to give what I believe are reasons - quirky presentation and aesthetics (when viewed from a Western perspective) and more familiarity with successful 2D fighting game and platformer design.

Also, if the bolded were the rule and not the exception, social sciences would have zero foundation.

I’m done here. I remain skeptical but hopeful regarding this game.

In “science” they also teach correlation doesn’t imply causation.