Playing To Win: Ultimate Counter-Picks and Match-Ups Thread

Had an odd thought today. Who wins the Joe vs Skrull match up? I have no idea how that even pans out.

All I know is Dragoomba (point Skrull) bodied Dieminion at EVO solely with trade Stand H. It trades into a ground bounce agains all Joe’s air normals even if covered by Voomerangs. So Joe can’t really approach, and he can’t charge Vooms for too long lest he open himself up to Rolling Hook. He said it was pretty free.

Woah woah Dante vs Cap is not 8-2. Dante with his best assist (Vajra, Disruptor) vs Cap with his best assist (Unibeam, Greyhound), Dante definitely wins. I’ve probably ran over 500 games against one of the better Caps in the US, and most of the comments about Cap’s advantages over Dante are mostly due to lack of match experience. It’s all about knowing that distance of the shield. Cap’s normals shits on Dante’s, so you don’t challenge him when you are upclose. You mostly want to be full-screen while only playing hit and run. Full-screen, Cap doesn’t have anything that will reach you. He has to be at risk by either wavedashing or jumping towards, in which case Air Play and teleports with Vajra effectively deal with it. He doesn’t have any scary tridashes or teleports, just dash and block. Cartwheel is reactable in many situations, it just takes several matches to be able to recognize it if you are not used to fighting Caps.

I don’t play very many skrulls, but generally for online play Joe beats Skrull pretty badly. Most Skrull’s online juts do his over head moves, which are very easy to punish if you do a viewtiful dodge into combo. I feel as Skrull can’t do anything full screen against Joe besides the overhead.

I could be completely off, though.

Good thing my team does not have optimized assist but the Cap America team did. That mu is hard when your only neutral assist is drones which get bodied by cap. So basically solo Dante vs cap with IM and doom backing him. It could be lack of knowledge but I doubt that. If I had strider and Magneto it probably would be easier if not easy but that’s not the case.

I honestly think Joe should beat Skrull but Skrull can still find his way around/through the Voomerangs.

Oh god image sigs.

Isn’t V-Dodge command-throwable? That could be pretty big.

I’m not sure. I only use it when I see him go into the overhead, which can’t recover in time to command grab me.