Do those “good players” include the ones using Rins?
That’s just asking for an opinion on a subject that I never really thought about. Are there actually good rins? Probably. Do I think they take the skill level to AR’s absolute lowest? Bet your ass I do. So are they good at what they “do”.
Comparing them to characters like Jack and Oinkie, Leo, Nikolai, Big Bull, Sasha, Mathilda… It’s too obvious. I hope this makes sense. I wasn’t really expecting a reply like that.
Btw, I’ve played you before. You messaged me about how I was the only one you’d ever seen using KW canceling online. I thought it was funny. I’d like to hear other peoples opinions, I suppose. Though they were kinda talking about skill levels and how the so called good players aren’t actually good, so is rin and automatic win? Naw. They definitely require a lot less effort to win though, not really any denying that. The same thing those abilities do.
Edit: The point is kind of moot to begin with because AR’s ceiling is silly anyways. Especially when a tire and pole changes everything. Just my two cents, I hope no one bites my head off while I’m sleeping. >_>
Anyone on PSN can add me, especially if you’re using all the cancel tech. I play Ai Rin.
PSN: PandaKingEX
Yeah, I will give credit where credit is due. I think deadlock would still be a good player even without ME and his laggy/glitchy connection. It’s just with those two things he’s borderline untouchable, for me anyways.
And yeah, the second paragraph is kind of what I’m scared off. I just ran into my first twitch cancelling player yesterday. I consider that guy one of the legitimately good AR players on 360 (solid connection, no ME/GM bullshit), and I saw him twitch cancelling yesterday… he was basically unstoppable. It was a 2v2v2 CTF match, in the first match he blasts away 12 players with Killjoy and captures the flag 3 times, but he ended up with four deaths from this annoying master evading KWH glitch abusing Bayonetta (that player’s team was two lvl 50s, the other one was also a ME user). In the second match he picks Zero and that’s when I saw him twitch cancel. He jabbed the Bayonetta, than suddenly his KW flashed, and he immediately used the heavy launcher. He juggled Bayo like 10 times in a row, and finished her with Zero’s BnB combo. He did this to both players several times, and the Bayo even quit halfway through. It goes without saying that I avoided that guy at all costs.
I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that once ME/GM users and laggy players learn twitch cancelling, the game will truly die.
Concerning Rins, I don’t mind Ai and Rin. Rin Rin’s pretty good actually, she requires more skill than the other two imo. I’m kinda biased since i main her, though. 
It’s Fei that really pisses me off. ALL Fei Rin users somehow out of pure coincidence tend to be laggy, ALL Fei users use ME, and ALL of them only know one technique: KW dive kick, run, AA->aKWH when you can. That’s it.
I’ve seen only two players who were really good with Nikolai. Now that’s praise-worthy.
Really? People always say this and other things along the line of “this game is dead”, but I never have a problem finding people. I’m in EST, on 360 (apparently the system with the smaller playerbase), but I manange to find enough players to fill an 8v8 mode, maybe even two at a time. In the afternoon it takes much longer, but sometimes you can find enough for CTF games (the CTF match with the twitch cancelling guy was around 2pm EST). You have to remember to use invite options as often as you can. What I do is find a couple of different lobbies, pick one that I want and invite the players from the other lobby.
Hmm I played you yesterday. I think you beat me with Jacks combo that I didn’t even know he had. until now.
It’s funny because Nikolai was my favorite at one point, but he’s absolutely terrible. The bottom line is the game’s system is flawed so much that it doesn’t matter how good you are, there’s no way around those abilities and trying to create a scary offense is just impossible against anyone competent. Add lag into the mix and it’s stupid. You just have to accept the game for what it is, which is to play as scummy as possible because that’s what wins.
I just told you how to make offense actually good. Now do it lol
I do… Sasha is>>>>>>> more viable because of the new tech…
She has inescapable block strings… her jab KWCancel combos have so little lag time that you can block a 360 attack on reaction very easily…
Everyone is more viable because of the new techs, jack is a monster now. The only character that —honestly- gets left behind, is big bull. You need to be a twitch god to make bull shine, and even then. Everyone else has pretty super powered BNB’s now. Including Nikolai and Jack.
Bull is lacking there. No reliable way to KWL , even though its a juggle itself. Playing bull takes a lot of dedication, you’ve gotta know your openings and what your super armor can take.
Nah Jack still sucks. He just has a way to actually damage you now when he lands a hit. Jack can’t chase anyone for shit.
Lean Extender for big modes.
Aircraft Carrier and Heliport would be an issue in the small modes, yeah. You could get away from a Jack there. The rest of the maps are small enough that it really wouldn’t matter, you’re either on fire or you’re not. Subway is kind of iffy, I’ve had people evade me there successfully and stall for HP (not using Jack either, using Oinkie)
I dunno. Just saying doing damage is all it takes, especially if you’re whittled down a bit…
I’d say hes actually legitimately better than Bull at this point. Bull can chase, but he’s just completely outmatched in every regard against a light character, too much lag on everything he does. Jack can poke at them and wait for an opening for a quick combo.
I’m honestly just having a hard time just breaking through defense of stronger players. I am only average at best. But I can pull out some decent juggles sometimes. I want to take it to the next level. Baron is my main too.
Sometimes you have to do the stupid crap to break someones guard, take a risk, do something your character usually doesn’t do. It doesn’t help that the hit detection for guarding is completely off, you can see the animation for smacking their guard but you didn’t actually smack their guard, they rolled before it hit.
I’d say Barons key guard pressure moves:
Air LKW
Punch -> Delay punch -> Heavy
Punch -> Heavy for quick guard knockback.
I’m not sure if barons jabs are actually safe on block, I’m assuming no, but since most people just roll out if they aren’t (I know I do)
Try and see how W W W -> Dash attack works, most peoples dashes does a lot of damage to guard but its very risky with a character that has a terrible DA.
Guard breaking is tricky business to begin with, unless you play one of the Garbots. They shatter guards like nothing. Play around with the guarding offline, and then play online again, and you’ll facepalm about how easy guards are actually supposed to break (really frikkin easy let me tell you, it’s like everyones guard is double what it should be online)
Dunno, I play oinkie and I feel you though, Despite oinkies delay -> heavy doing absolutely insane amounts of damage, it’s incredibly easy to see coming and I almost never catch people with it. I actually get stunned out of it quite a bit. So I have the same issue.
I play with oinkie too. I like to just keep it simple with him. Heavy, light then KWL,KWL,KWL. Good damage fast and I usually get a kill off of it.
Boy did this get lively or what?
To address some things, there can be good rins It’s just that rin is so braindead that anyone with the smarts on using their jump kw L, and block roll can pretty much be a rin god(With lag to boot too).
Good rins use their dive kick and jump cancel their jabs.
ex: People like PandaKing who use that cancelling tech shit blew my mind!
That new tech(which I will post here if you haven’t seen it yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D59PzWyT-Rw) Is good. Gives everyone great pressure options and 100% combos. Unfortunately I can’t do it well but hey props to people like Guy who can master it.
To those wanting to help liven up this game again: Try to get people hype by showing them the ropes, showing how fun and cool the game can be, or just play lol
Like any other game with a community, not forgetting about the game and playing it is important.
As proof of how fun this game is: Play Tag Battle!
In stacked TDM or Team Battles, long as you know your basic defensive options(killer weapon rolling, knowing map terrain, avoiding gangbangs, teching grabs and mash on guard when knocked down to roll away) it shouldn’t be too bad. Give advice to those getting horribly fucked and upset. Telling other people how to play may sound pretentious but they need to know what to do if the games going to upset them.
To the 360 players: I’ll try to get live again and my copy back so I’ll play you guys.
At Karate: hmm Don’t remember you, whats your psn?(Since that’s what I play on at the moment)
The skype group is also there to those who want in. We’re always around and sometimes organize matches so all you have to do is ask. (My skype is senorscythersama, add me and I’ll add you to the group.
Also since I play every character in the game I can pretty much give advice on everyone so if people want questions answered go ahead and ask!
Last note: Cancelling any jab before the last jab and launcher into dash attack is so good for characters with great dash attacks. WHY DON’T PEOPLE USE THIS MORE!?
Yeah, that’s how I play Oinkie, because he relies so heavily on punishing people and spacing with his insane KW range (aerial or otherwise) I usually jab a few times and go straight into delay, and straight into KWL x2 and see what someone does off the bat, if they eat it. The next time I jab you you’re either getting the full combo, or getting anti air’d out of the delay to start a juggle. What you have there is oinkie’s best combo, literally. He doesn’t have many basic ones, the other ones require twitch canceling and AA canceling.
W*Delayed W -> H -> Twitch -> W W W -> LKWx3
W*Delayed W -> AA cancel -> W -> LKWx3 to keep from scaling, add more jabs if you need meter.
Oinkie can heavy cancel with his launcher too after a delay, oinkie can’t cancel out of basic jabs though there’s not enough hitstun on them. The delay has a tripping effect, so naturally there’s enough.
If you have the basic jump canceling down you can combo into his air LKW, I almost never try it though.
W -> Jump cancel -> Air W -> Air LKW , this works with every dive KW character, rins don’t even need to use the new cancel, they can just jab and then air LKW.
I need to put that to use online for quick damage, just landing a LKW doesn’t usually put people into defensive mode either, it doesn’t do enough.
I’ve played around with his dash too because it’s basically a worse version of the Garbots, literally almost the same animation, just a LOT slower. Doing the right sequence of moves for correct knockback you can do the same thing the can, reset and keep the combo going, only oinkie can’t rejuggle straight away like they can.
I’m so bored.
@ Munoz
The people who do know about it mostly don’t think it will help much in the grand scheme of things, or actually look down on it. That video makes it look so easy, I can do it pretty efficiently myself but to that degree is just insane.
Irony.
LOL just played the dirtiest of the dirty. Got tripled teamed for an entire game of DM, and people working together in DM so one of them wins…
Weird. Had you played them before / maybe they are holding a grudge? Also for anyone that doesn’t know!
Anarchy Reigns is being released again on tuesday on the PSN
The bayo / mad survival DLC is also apparently being put up on tuesday. Good news for those who didn’t pre order!