This cannot be any more untrue.
So you’re saying anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion is a terrible Seth.
That’s rather egotistical don’t you think?
Maybe the ‘new style’ of his play is more suited to other Seth players than you.
This “new style” of Seth you’re talking about was really popular among Seth users in Super and Vanilla - when Seth was really good at playing lame. Seth is worse…this isn’t debatable. Combofiend has admitted it even when they gave back j.HP, OnlineTony said it’s harder to win, Kazunoko believes Seth has no future, FChamp thinks the character is dead, Arturo thinks hes gimped…chances are Poongko doesn’t think too highly of the character either. People who think that Seth is viable (which includes a lot of us) are already in the minority.
Saying Seth is better is like saying vaccines are going to make you retarded. He lost more options than he gained.
He’s not Dee Jay, I know. He’s just worse than he was before…that’s how it is.
@The Breaker: Vaccines do you make retarded.
Just because you have to adapt your play style means Seth sucks? That sounds like a excuse of person that does not know how to play any type of game. Anything is debatable when it comes to subjective opinions. If you can’t adapt, you are the one that sucks.
Also, you are making another poor argument with “your” opinion. Just because someone does not agree with you or is in the minority of the BS opinion poll, it does not mean your opinion is correct.
Also, it seems you are just a follower since you base your opinions off of others who you think are higher than you. Are you able to make up you own mind?
I said I thought he was okay. Better off than I thought, actually! Better off than most of the “pros” think. But you can’t read though, so…who cares?
(Gotta ignore these dumb motherfuckers comin out of the woodwork…)
There is no way he is better than he was previously because he definitely lost options in Ultra. Thats not even debatable. Relative to the rest of the cast he might be ok in the end but you have to atleast acknowledge the things he lost and how he has to work harder/take risks.
He is objectively worse. There is no denying that.
I have seen people talk about ‘adapting.’ And I think it could’ve worked as an argument in Seth’s case when he was given back his j.hp stretchy arms, as it would open up for different options.
However, the current incarnation of Ultra Seth is not capable of doing anything that old Seth couldn’t do in terms of playstyle (aside from 2xcr.mp combo I guess, but it’s a numerical change that does not open up any more options.) I do not think it’s a matter of adaption when you could do X, Y and Z before, and then when Z is removed/nerfed, you just stick with X and Y. Because you didn’t adapt to anything, you’re just using more of what was previously your worse options, but are now the best you have left.
If you can explain how the changes open up for new tech and playstyles, be my guest. But as far as I can tell, we are just reduced to using more of what used to be worse options. I do not call that adapting.
EDIT: I have only played him for a few hours at a friend’s place, but I doubt my opinion would change much with more time spent.
50 health buff, we can adapt to being a better punching bag.
Seriously, while Seth is without question worse off when looked at individually, you might be able to make an argument for him that his bad matchups got hit way harder as a result of character nerfs/system changes. So there is an argument you can make here. Myself, I highly doubt that, unless someone actually manages to place with Ultra Seth, then I can hopefully be proven wrong. I wouldn’t bet on it though.
The last part I do agree with, actually, yes. That could also be an argument, but from playing, I genuinely doubt it. He’s still got good MUs, but I feel most bad MUs only got worse (given that he only lost tools/options.) I haven’t played that many MUs in Ultra yet, though, so I honestly can’t give a solid/reflective opinion or answer.
It’s a hard sell on that too. The only characters I can see getting easier are Akuma and Adon. …I don’t want to think about Viper. I don’t think many people agreed with me on Seth losing to Yun in 2012, but he definitely does now. Cammy loses back throw thanks to DWU but still wrecks shop. Fei has to work a little harder but still wins.
I placed Seth really high in my numbers for 2012. So while I can say “shit numbers dropped across the board” that’s still enough to put him above 20 other characters. Still capable of closing games with good reads. I’m just saying…you are on drugs if you “think” Seth is better. If someone can prove it wrong, then great.
The buff to Seth’s c.mp isn’t nearly enough to compensate for the loss of tanden cancels and the nerf to his shoryuken. Seth is definitely worse individually. But on the other hand Seth doesn’t really give a damn about DWU, he has a dive kick and he can do a meaty tanden after an SPD, he only loses the post U1 mix up. So Seth’s mix up game is left intact, compared to other characters who depend on hard knockdowns for their mix ups.
Well SPD options are a little weaker as are back throws. One thing that could probably save Seth though is proximity OS. Just a bitch getting it down…
They are definitely weaker but at least he can do something, in this match at you can see Sim doing DWU constantly after an SPD and at the end Inaba gets him with a dive kick.
My thoughts on crap seth
-Shoryu seems to trade with everything.
- everyone else getting damage buffs and seth not getting any health sucks ass
- Now you have to use two bars if you want to commit to anything. Normal -> Sonic Boom -> fadc -> mixup is always one of my favorite things to do. I haven’t played around with ex tanden cancels but they should have the same effect as far as tanden cancels go. Perhaps better since they grab people out the air.
- Less stun on command grabs sucks but I’m just adding more s.hp to my combos, something I should’ve been doing since ae.
All and all you have to commit to everything so nothing has changed in that aspect. Hate how everyone does more damage tho
I think he is still very viable I play him at an intermediate level cuz well I’ve just started him once ultra cane out check out this vid I uploaded with the YouTube feat
Yun has always been advantage vs Seth, I dunno how people are convinced otherwise.
IMO xx EX.tanden is a really weak option, especially off of cr.mk. FADC boom does everything EX.tanden would, but it also catches jumpers and people hitting buttons for free combo. Both lose to reversal regardless, so the only thing you get with EX.tanden is a really meaty situation, which doesn’t have any advantages unless you go for a hard read on their backdash and do a second lp.tanden into full combo. You can EX.tanden off of cl.hp, where it’s a lot better cause it catches everything, but the times when tanden is most valuable is after cr.mk when you poked them out of 2-3 lights range.
Something really pissing me off is the grounded state for 2 frames after DP invincibility ends now. The bad news is obvious, if I challenge their safe crossup and they perform it properly, it’s a counterhit into pretty much anything they want. Possible advantage of this is antiair DP into trade OS EX.tanden, but I haven’t played around with this yet to see if it’s possible yet (just a thought).
I’ve only been able to pull off proxy OS once, in training mode (cr.hp U1), so I don’t think that’s ever going to be an option for me lol
They still didn’t change the EX Tanden juggle on jumps though. Have to go right into DP or Hyakuretsu or they fall out, so you lose damage/stun compared to Boom FADC.
Oh yea I forgot about that, that pretty much kills EX.tanden’s usefulness outside of combos.
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Seth is definitely still viable. Better? No. Much worst? I don’t think so.
Trade SRKs can be followed by stomps, U2, and EX Tanden for a full combo. However, he can no longer use HP SRK to blowup blockstrings into fireball (This may still work on a character like Ryu, but it definitely doesn’t work on slower fireballs like Poison’s or Chun’s), you have to use EX meter now :/.
Wltra is really good with him, as the damage reduction on U1 isn’t all that big a deal, and you gain FADC Boom trap and extra damage options with U2.
c.MP buff is nice. You can use it for c.MP, s.HP after a deep divekick, the same link on reset mixups after stomps (in the corner for example), and the same link after Tanden on characters that you can’t s.MP, s.HP. c.MP x2 is also nice, but a harder link than the aforementioned.
SRK nerf is a double-edged sword IMO. Just practice the followups on trade. You can even dash after the trade and still get stomps. Sorta like viper lol.
Oh, and stomps after trade SRK setup a walk under mixup midscreen.