Capcom’s been listening so far. Otherwise we wouldn’t have SSF4 in the first place.
I don’t care either way since there’s no arcade nearby where I live that has SF4, but I’ll throw in my support because I like the community, even if I’m not as active as many of you.
i guess you would have to have been a part of an arcade community to really understand…
but basically it creates a stronger scene. it’s a centralized location that is neutral ground. you don’t have to know someone to go there and play. you don’t have to get on a message board and schedule times to go to people’s houses.
you’ll always end up playing random people that you will never meet or play without an arcade (unless you’re talking about online). it’s like the spot you know? the hang out place. and everyone is invited.
there are just so many reasons and honestly i don’t feel like going through all of them.
but just take a look at all the strongest fighting game communities in this country. they are all basically located around a strong arcade scene. i guess the simple answer is YJDK.
um so Metal Gear Solid is a fighting game now? ok?
and um actually Marvel was pretty successful for awhile in japan i think. it just didn’t last as long as it did here. also marvel is not just a shining example of that, it’s the ONLY example of that. and how does this even contradict my point? we’re still waiting on that mvc3. and seriously, how are you going to use a game that was released in the arcades as a counter argument here?
and i never said it wouldn’t be played in the US. but it will ultimately be bad for the community everywhere, not just in japan.
i think the reason my post didn’t make sense to you is that you missed the point in the first place.
besides if you really wanted to name a game as a good counter argument you should have said Smash.
but of course i would have replied with "um so Smash is a fighting game now? :arazz: "
While I want to see this game in arcades, I’m not so sure that Japanese love is crucial to the financial success of these games. Japan’s game market is dying and the Japanese companies are taking notice. This was one of the big points of TGS. The fact that Capcom isn’t going to bother with an arcade update isn’t too surprising once you keep this in mind.
Edit: I also find a lot of dime_x’s post intriguing. I don’t think we’re there yet, but consoles will soon reach the point that arcades will be rendered completely obsolete. Unfortunately a lack of arcade scene is going to hurt the community, I think.
I’d like it a lot if both this game and HD Remix got an arcade release. Otherwise, this will mostly be an America-only game, much like HD Remix and Marvel.
then get a fuckin job!
Japan can’t play a game very competitively unless it exists in a parlor like setting because of space restrictions. Living in Japan and inviting 5-6 people into your apartment 5 hours a day 5 days a week seems a bit of a stretch for a top player. Much less fitting that many people comfortably into your apartment. Even than your limiting your community by the number of people you can fit in your home.
Japan won’t get large scale involvement without an arcade release which removes a good amount of evo hype for the game imo. Watching Japan beat Bas/Daigo/Nuki and whatnot are always hype-filled matches. America #1 only if we win against a competent opponent : /
They have jobs… a lot of players come to the arcade after work.
You’re missing a huge fucking point here… it’s the social aspect.
But that will eventually die out if they don’t have something new to play.
I only discovered the local arcade community this year, with the release of Street Fighter 4.
Shit was love at first sight. The sound of double-taps hitting you from all angles at once… the shiny row of quarters that stretch from one end of the console to the next… the handshake (not an XBL ‘gg’ message) with a total stranger at the end of what was probably the craziest game you’ve ever played…
New-school heads like myself need to recognize that the only reason we have Street Fighter on our consoles at home is because there were (and ARE) dudes who dropped an infinite number of quarters in the machine. Instead of saying some bullshit like “support the fans and add __________ to the game,” you should be insisting that Capcom shows love to the dudes and the spots that made Street Fighter – the game and the scene – what it is today.
If you don’t have an arcade near you, make the pilgrimage. If the closest one is 50 miles away, drive that 50 miles, even if you only do it one time in your whole life. Spend some time, take it all in, then come back here and see if you can still ask some bullshit like “why are people so desperate for an arcade release.”
I’m all worked-up and shit.
actually, this is really pretty dumb.
ono is a proven lier.
this is the guy who said they weren’t working on a sequel and that 66% of capcom thought it was a bad idea…
um he said this while his dev team was obviously working ssf4 as the words were coming out of his mouth.
so yeah… the fact that he says there won’t be an arcade release means almost nothing.
i dont really think there are ANY arcade haters here. if ssf4 was being released at my local 7-11 i wouldnt care about online play… the only thing i would want is training mode at home.
i think that YOU are missing a huge point, the arcades are dead in america. they are dying in japan. not realizing this is like sticking your head in the dirt about global warming.
the social aspect you say?
yeah thats great, but folks such as yourself act as if everyone that goes to the arcades talk to each other all day (they dont).
there are MANY ways to be sociable and places to make friends…look at srk… i’m known in the forums that i post in… some peeps like me … others dont… like any other place where people congregate. i have “friends” on xbox live that i have good connections to that i play 4 with all the time that i chat to as well about strats and shit like that.
these people i would definitely consider to be friends even though i dont personally know them from a hole in the wall. just like what happens in any old arcade on any given sunday…
i’ve met players online that i now play with irl…
the arcade isnt the end all be all, of the fighting game social mechanism… it was just the start, if we can get some good netcode i may well find some cool peeps on the east coast that i will probably never meet besides at evo that may still become my most played opponents… online opens up a whole new world of social dynamics.
get beaten by a good player or have a good game with someone else… just send there ass a message complimenting there play… 8 times out of 10 that gets a friend request from someone that can simultaneously teach you some shit and may be cool to talk to about the game.
its a brave new world folks.
-dime
petitions are useless.
who really cares if ssf4 is released at the arcades at this point? arcades are dead here. theres like what? a total of 10 sf4 machines in the united states? heh
“but japan only plays in the arcades”
newsflash, this is not japan. why should we do everything their way? sf2: hd remix didnt get an arcade version NOR even a japanese release. not like it matters anyways.
i can say that japan and capcom screw themselves over from the start. i mean was it really that hard to add those console characters to the arcade version? not only did capcom failed to, japan couldn’t care less. if japan really cared, wouldn’t they have petitioned for it?
no arcade release = no japan nuthugging/japan x-copy. gee, we might have to develop strats for ourselves for once.
if japan really wants ssf4 for the arcade, let them petition for it. why stop the progression of the series just because of a few die hard arcade players?
it’ll be funny if ssf4t gets released and they’re still playing sf4.
lets change things around for once. make a console release first, then an arcade release later. if japan is really hungry for ssf4, i’m sure they’ll do something to get it to the arcades.
Depends on whether you consider SRK bandwidth as “something”.
okay then… BUY A FUCKIN CONSOLE! It shouldn’t matter. If you are a dedicated player like most pros out there. They will play it whether its in arcade or not.
You missed the 2nd and 3rd line there.
There is no social aspect in playing at home alone.
It has nothing to do with just wanting to play the game.
It’s wanting to play the game in an arcade… With friends.
Tokyo is a big fucking place. People can’t just meet up every week at someone’s house. That’s why the best arcades (like Big Box) are in centralized locations that everyone can easily meet up at.
Name 5 players who placed top 32 at Evo and are regualr competitors on XBL or PSN and have not been seen at an arcade since SFIV came out.
Also not everybody is a virgin who thinks their couch is the coolest place on Earth.
No arcade means small advanced play, or seriously delayed advanced play.
Lame. People were talking and comparing stuff from early match videos way early on. Now we know a whole lot of things from them. If it doesn’t appear then things that could take months to find will now take years.
Pretty good strategy by Capcom to keep people playing and buying their console version for a very long time, but a very saddening decision to those who know the power of community arcades, both at home and abroad.
Then go play Killer Instinct. Cause SSF4 sure as hell ain’t comin to arcade.
Uhm… so where do I sign ?
The lack of an arcade version is unfortunate. It is also completely irrelevant to 99% of the people playing the game. The west does NOT NEED JAPAN for a competitive scene, and in fact, I find it utterly pathetic that that notion seems so prevalent. It’s also rather odd considering the US’s stance on everything else: No one else cares about your shitty rugby in armour ripoff that you laughably call “football”, but does that stop you from playing it? Hell no! Nor should it!
If Japan doesn’t take SSFIV serious, so fucking what? That’s their problem, not the rest of the world. If Jwong becomes the best at SSFIV and it’s console only, so fucking what? He would still be the best at SSFIV since no other version would exist. If the JPN want to prove otherwise, let them play on console and learn it. Other countries have been doing that for most arcade games for years now (seriously, how many non-JPN players have even seen, far less gotten a chance to get good at, arcade versions of GGXX series, Hokuto no Ken, Arcana Heart, KoFXI, Samurai Shodown 0/Special/Tenka, Tekken 6, VF5, etc? Or even CvS2 or 3S for that matter? Arcades have been dead for years in the west, after all, and many people forget that a huge chunk of players playing SFIV never even saw SF3, far less anything released since 2001), so let them feel what it’s like for a change.
MvC2 (and indeed, the Marvel games as a whole) is a perfect example of why he west doesn’t t need Japan. “we’re still waiting on that mvc3” is bullshit, since that’s more to do with licensing issues than anything else (and besides, there IS an update to MvC2 - TvC).
Oh, and we have another perfectly good example of why “no Japan = fail” is bullshit: SFIV itself. JPN arcade never got the updated console version, but that didn’t stop people from playing it on console and building scenes here. If the west truly kowtowed to the JPN like in the days of SFA3, they would have ignored the console edition entirely like they did with the console ports of SFA3 (of course, that would have meant ignoring the game altogether outside of the 3 places in the US that got the arcade version, which would have been mighty stupid, but no one ever said this mindset was logical).
Summary plz: I’ll be sad that there’s no arcade version, but it ultimately won’t matter to the majority of players, and it definitely won’t affect the competitive scene. Get over it.
:lame:
I don’t know my couch is pretty pimp and I do enjoy watching cartoons with my 2 year old son on it.