Wow…this is like my favorite post in this thread.
Someone need to positive rep this guy for speaking the truth.
While I’m sad that SSFIV won’t have an arcade release, I’m not shocked at all about it.
Because you know why: Capcom is not an arcade company, period.
What I mean is that they focus on consoles only and arcade games are just a side item that shouldn’t be focus on too much.
Capcom WAS an arcade company one time. You can tell that Capcom was changing during the late 90s. They were putting more money in the console market than the arcade market. It doesn’t help the fact that Capcom CPS3 hardware was a big failure in their eyes (poorly design hardware was the main reason). If the CPS3 was more popular (to the operator viewpoint) and the CPS3 was design better then Capcom would had supported more games for it. Who knows they would had made new 2D fighting games on the CPS3. Capcom switch towards the Naomi hardware was a blessing and a curse. They made great games on the Naomi but when CvS1/2 and MvC2 was release they were doing the “cheap” method. Just use low-rez 240p sprites from other games and put them on a 480p background. If you run the 2D Capcom Naomi fighters via VGA the sprites look like shit.
When I played these games years ago I had a feel that Capcom was changing. Sega handled CvS2 arcade release in the US (and not Capcom). When I found out about it years ago I realize that Capcom was going to the console route. I was right: They close down their Coin-Ops branches in the US and other places. They stop supported the CPS3 and they were going all out on the console market. To me the failure of Capcom Fighting Jam was the end of Capcom in the video game arcade market. Of course they were doing some arcade amusement stuff in Japan (their Gundam stuff still makes money, but that’s on the side), but you have to remember they were making tons of money on consoles.
I was pretty shocked that Capcom got back into the arcade video market with SFIV and TvC. I was like WTH they were thinking since Capcom are not really big names in the arcade industry anymore. Of course since Capcom is a console company in the long run they will think about the console gamers more than the arcade gamers.
And with the announcement of SSFIV being console only I’m not really too shocked that Capcom went with the console route.
It’s like Namco making T5DR (example) console only. That would piss off many arcade players period. Of course Namco would never do it since they are still an arcade company with a presence in the industry unlike Capcom.
I knew there was a catch of Capcom coming back and making a new fighting game when they knew they are not really an arcade company at all anymore.
I’m running this through my head as if Banded Keith were saying it, and it sounds oh so right
japan and the us may be the two places with arcade scenes. however, they aren’t the only two countries in the whole world who play street fighter.
it’s like some of you guys don’t give a shit about the rest of the world as long as you and japan have got gaming scenes. it’s pretty hypocritical lol.
does anyone have the stats for sf4 sales in u.s.a/japan/rest of the world for example? i am intrigued to know how many people outside of those two countries play sf4. i imagine it’s more than you would think it is.
Okay, so you want to be a part of a community that really has no future. Same players playing the same 15 year old games for the next 15 years. No insurance that old hardcore players aren’t going to leave, and a very small pool of new players to draw from. You’re delusional dude. You’re what’s wrong with the whole fighting game scene. You care about yourself and not the scene growing and becoming better.
Oh btw, Japan doesn’t have shit to do with the U.S. If you want comp at older games you need to move to a bigger city. Keep your nerd rage and SFIV grudge alive dude.
All fine, basically. But: The whole Japan vs US is really just an American thing. For America my ass.
Over here nobody really gives a flying fuck about you. I do not say this out of spite - but because it is a fact. I do understand the hype that some might get from that whole supposed rivalry but it’s really just something that some would like to exist. There is no rivalry. There is just the Americans trying to catch up to the Japanese who had the obvious advantages of better local competition and getting the game first. But in Tokyo noone’s ever spared a thought on something like that. They just crush the US-players that occasionally get here and that’s that.
Banded Keith from Yu-Gi-Oh?
Thats my nig right there!
Come to think of it, the fact that the game will be console exclusive doesnt mean people wont play it on the arcades. I believe its perfectly possible to adapt a PS3 or a XBOX 360 to an arcade setup and play it.
Correct me if Im wrong, but if the japanese (and american) arcade scene love SFIV so much, theyll find a way to play SSFIV at arcade centers.
I’d like to see an arcade release of SSF4 as well.
'Didn’t know there wasn’t going to be one.
that was pretty much exactly what i was trying to say earlier lol. we’ll see how much these guys support their local arcades.
From the other thread:
You guys really think they care about the small arcade market? They’ve sold 2.8 million copies on console, making well over $150 million dollars in sales. Let’s assume that 1000 arcades are sold in Japan (which is overestimating). If they sell the actual HDD instead of the entire Taito kit I’d guess it’ll cost around a grand each. That’s a million dollars. That’s 1/150th of their sales. That’s not even counting all of you suckers who paid tons of extra money for COSTUMES. FUCKING COSTUMES!
Capcom stopped giving a shit about competitive SF when SF3 came out and did terrible in sales. Now they made a game where you can sit back and throw some fireballs with your bros on the couch. Makes perfect sense to me.
Um, no, they won’t.
They will NOT jerry-rig a 360 and PS3 into an arcade cabinet, especially corporate establishments such as Big Box (owned by Taito) or any Sega owned arcade. There is a lot of legal stuff involved if they were to do that, and if they did it without informing anyone… oooh boy.
Smaller privately-owned arcades such as Ko-hatsu WOULD do it but they would not do it all the time. In fact, Ko-hatsu did do a 360 Soulcalibur 4 tournament every week, as well as weekly game sessions where they would take out one game and replace it with 360 SC4. That lasted all of 3 months before the scene completely died.
You guys have to realize that without a JPN arcade release, the scene will still go on, and it may even be solid, but you will never see anyone on the same level as Mago, Daigo, Kindevu, Chibita, etc. because the level of play will simply not exist. The motivation to play will not be there.
AFAIK every company makes money on an arcade machine after it is sold. Someone who works at Monte arcade in Osaka told me that Sega takes 20 yen per every 100 yen from Virtua Fighter 5, but that’s apparently extremely high. I heard that the normal take is 10 yen per every 100 yen. So yes, they still do make money off of the arcade version even after selling the 25K units.
Thank you. This just helps my point.
I don’t see anything as a rivalry and I’m not trying to promote a rivalry. Usually, the people that see those “rivalries” between countries are those people that are always idolizing the better country, and that better country has a collective “huh?” feeling toward it and continues actually trying to get better at what they’re vastly better at because they actually try to get better at it instead of sucking and/or trying to find inspiration from other lands. Again, that’s fucking pathetic. It’s like seeing a guy admiring an equally good-looking and successful friend that gets more girls because he has has more experience. The idolizing guy starts talking constantly to his friends about his friend, half-humiliated, half-impressed, that he’s gonna be like him and just watches in amazement what the guy does. Meanwhile, the other guy just goes on about his business and doesn’t even know nor care what his friend thinks about him.
America needs to stand on its own, evolve on its own, and develop on its own, and they are more than capable of this. I just want Americans to realize it.
I care about the people who actually invest more than a couple of months into the game and then find a new one to play.
I care about the people who actually strive to improve, the people who strive to become better.
I care about the people who dedicate themselves.
I don’t care about scrubs. Yes, everyone was a scrub at some point, but there are those people who choose to learn the game and become better. It is those people I care about.
The majority of players do not have this mindset. They just play for fun.
What kind of a community is that? A community that just plays for fun, with no desire to improve and no lust for competition?
Why would I care about scrubs who don’t even really care about the game, as opposed to hardcore players?
Why should I care? Because without them there would be no future SF games? Psh. That’s fine by me. I am content with the old games.
I don’t care if there aren’t any new games released if the majority of the community is comprised of casual SF fans who don’t really care about the game.
Again, causuals who buy the games are the reason your scene exists. Doesn’t matter if they become better players, stop playing completely, or keep on sucking ass. A small niche of hardcore will always exist, so you can be happy about that. But that small niche isn’t going to keep your scene alive. You need new players and the money that comes along with it. Old games are going to die when we stop seeing new releases. Old players will stop playing and there will be no one to replace them. But whatever, not worth arguing over this. You just want good comp and don’t get how it works. It’s really amazing what SFIV has done to a dying community. I’d be thankful for that even if I didn’t like the game.
SC4 is a lot less popular than SFIV, maybe the scene died because it just wasnt too strong already.
Also, if you cant adapt an arcade machine due to legal issues, nothing stops arcade owners from buying a PS3/360, a couple of Hori Sticks and a TV monitor and make some money out of it. Arcades are way too expensive for both producers and arcade owners.
I’m not one to argue about join dates but are the newbies seriously arguing that the Arcade scene is “irrelevant”?
Funny shit.
wow you are an incredibly egotistical selfish son of a bitch Shin Akuma~
I’d hope not.
I guess I shouldn’t talk since I AM technically a newb, but its probably because a lot of them have never had the experience. Honestly, I feel really bad for them :sad: