lol i’ll be in the sidecar. dudes need to stop hating on people that are different than them.
fuck it, next flight to amsterdam
12 year olds, 50 grand and a handy-cam
Ew. You guys are nasty. Get a woman, and I stress the woman part.
Just because they formed a political party doesn’t mean they’ll actually achieve anything, and chances are, they won’t. Does go to show though that years upon years of petitioning will get you somewhere.
Now if they actually do manage to get the age of consent lowered, well then look out Holland here I come! :lovin:
Dude. No. A pedophile is someone who wants to have sex with children. And really, those ideas are permanently harmful and beyond dangerous. Pedophilia isn’t something we should accept and adapt to, and it isn’t worth the risk to kids.
ideas are harmful and beyond dangerous? should we call the Thought Police?
dude, no, you are talking about arresting someone who has done nothing wrong yet based on their desires, regardless of the fact that they have not broken the law…i don’t wanna fuck children nor do i want people who actively fuck children to be freed, but i also don’t support any ideal that states that we should castrate someone based on the fact they have desires you don’t agree with. until these people are actually accused of enaging in anything more than trying to change people’s minds, i don’t find a reason for you to hate them. also, wanting to have sex with children and having sex with children are 2 different things. i wanna have sex with monica belluci, but i never will.
also, how is an idea EVER permanently harmful? ideas are just how one person or group of people feel. if you feel different, thats fine, but don’t become the gestapo of thoughts. i’m sure you’ve seen a hot chick and thought ‘boy, i wanna fuck her’, but you don’t just go rape her. people are able to differetiate desire from reality, even pedophiles. don’t give me the ‘its illegal’ thing, cuz sometimes i just feel like getting mad coked up and partying, but i don’t, cuz its illegal doesn’t change my desire…
No. But we shouldn’t tolerate somebody who could potentially be sponsoring child pornography. Let’s be realistic here.
Seriously, Imagine any of us not looking at any porn. Can any of us honestly say that we have never looked at porn? No, of course not. We all have. And, quite obviously, we look at porn that we like. Pedophiles look at porn too. Kiddy porn. And can any of us honestly say that we have the strength of will to never have sex, and never loo at porn? Personally, I doubt it’s possible. And even so, is it worth risking? Realism says no.
i’m not arguing whether kiddy porn should be legal at all. i’m arguing that these people should not be arrested simply for supporting these ideas. i think exploitation of children is wrong, but you can’t arrest people for supporting their ideals - even if they are unpopular. look at the aclu, one of the most liberal organizations in the us, yet they often support groups like the kkk when their civil rights are attacked due to their unpopular beliefs. they don’t support their beliefs, jus their rights to express those beliefs publically. thats all i’m saying. this knee jerk reaction ‘just arrest these bastards for life’ when they haven’t done anything is fucking bs. like i said, i don’t support their beliefs, but i support anyone’s right to get their ideas out there and let society deem it proper or not. if the netherlands wants to support this, its their right as a soveriegn nation. end of story…
i think its counterintuitive to make “viewing” child porn legal. obviously the act of creating child porn is illegal, on the grounds that children cannot possibly give consent and are those being horribly exploited.
so if making of child porn is illegal, then why would you allow people to watch it? if you are gonna prosecute people who film child pornography to the full extent of the law, but allow the people who watch it to go free, then you are ensuring that child porn will continue to have a market and continue to flourish.
if however, you throw people who own child porno into jail for a coupla years and mark them as pedos and make sure their lives are ruined, then how are child pornographers gonna make money? why would they make any if they can no longer profit off of it?
btw angry liberal - i do understand what you’re trying to say though.
Wait. Are you serious? ACLU?
Read up on the Candyman case. The ACLU defended a guy that was caught in a federal sting on a decoy kiddy porn site, and he ended up getting off. And read up on what they proposed to the Supreme Court.
Believing that pedophilia is acceptable is flat-out wrong. And advocating people who DO look at it, like what the ACLU has done, is just as bad.
so, you are ignoring my point. awesomeness…
edit: i did a quick search on ‘operation candyman’ since aclu candyman did no good…it seems they argued that judges were recklessly misled when the search warrants were ganrnered in the case. sounds like they did what the aclu always does, stand up for the constitutional rights of people who deserve it in spite of our hate for them. you have no idea what the aclu does do you? they uphold the constitution. thats it. they don’t support ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative’ ideals, they6 simply uphold th ideals of the constitution. thats american…
I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not. They are helping dangerous people get away with destructive activity, and it’s naive to think otherwise. They protectected somebody who was helping people who KNOWINGLY AND WILLINGLY MARKET THE DESTRUCTION OF A CHILD’S LIFE. If you think that’s right, constitutional or not, it’s just plain naivity. Because of THEM, that guy who got off was allowed to harm a child. I don’t know how you can consider that right.
just like we record and host our own match vids for people to watch; cp will still be made if someone’s getting paid for it or not. THOUGH THEY ARE SCUM, cp makers are doing many pedos a service by giving them an outlet to act out their fantasies in private and without children.
fuck the law and fuck freedom, as long as the people i don’t like go to jail.
\yeah, i’m the naive one…that kind of thinking never leads down dangerous roads…
Yeah, it only stops people from commiting heinous crimes repeatedly. Oh, the horror.
and NEVER leads to innocent people being pariahed for crimes they don’t commit because the safegaurds in the law are circumvented…you have a real grasp on the concepts of the constitution don’t you…
You mean like the guy who signed up for the Candyman site, who is totally innocent, and definitely doesn’t look at kiddy porn? Yeah, because the most important thing isn’t the well-being of the children being exploited, it’s his whether or not he was caught in a constitutional way. Yeah, you’ve got a straight priority list.
you are truly a 19 year old kid. don’t throw out words like naive when you throw out arguments that are tantamount to ‘fuck the constitution’ kid. i’m not gonna bother arguing with you as you have no idea what you are talking about what so ever. you don’t understand one bit the ideals of the constitution and why those have been put in place by people a whole lot smarter than you will ever be. your entire knowledge of this case seems to be handfed by some conservative propaganda machine. this is an operation headed by people like john aschcrooft, a man who’s almost more fascist than buchanan…you can only see as far as your nose on this one. you don’t understand the implications of the ideas you are pushing. yeah, maybe this guy was not innocent, but what about the guy who is and has no recourse to protect himself because the safeguards have been abolished under the idea of ‘just in case’ - its better to set 100 guilty men free than imprison 1 innocent man. its that simple kid…
hang on… so Operation Candyman was a website created and hosted by OUR government which had child porn on it just to catch people that would look? how are they able to get away with that? isn’t that entrapment? i’m really asking a question. i’m a noob when it comes to the law.