:annoy: Damn impulses. It’s like if nothing happens for 2 seconds, my fingers automatically decide it’s time to drill. And then, my vocal chords automatically decide that at that exact time that I yell out “god dammit, not again”.
Also, I disagree on the comparing of Cammy to Rufus, Rufus has a combo-able overhead dive kick and can combo out of his messiah kick… I don’t really see how the tools are similar.
Sorry to keep piling it on, here, but can I add one more complaint? Why does Dive Kick not Knock Down when you hit someone out of the air like all other Special Moves do? I played against Rogs and when I Dive Kick and he Head Butts and we collide and trade in the air, Balrog can land and still Ultra me.
Same goes for Cannon Drill. Was playing against a Blanka, and when he did his Super to me and I blocked it, I just wanted to Knock him over so I could play wake-up games with him. I did Cannon Drill, hit him out of the air, and Blanka landed on his feet.
What the heck? I’m starting to think that maybe Cammy wasn’t properly completed in time for the home release.
i think i randomly hit them with dive kick and i walked behind them as they landed…but i could be thinking of an antiair j.short. it’s hard to replicate, but here’s what generally happens:
anti air divekick(or j.short?) walk under them for crossup, mash downback short(but cannon spike comes out)
I myself is still trying to work on Cammy. she was so much better in SFHD. But now it’s really to paly defense with her, i.e I play a defenseive Cammy. I have all of these blocks going on, but to not let myself goes insane, I swith to Dan and fuerte for some good low tier love.
Cammy has a lot of great moves, and potential. But is one of the harder chars. to win consistently with IMHO. It comes down to not making a lot of mistakes, and pure luck for me to win. Whenever I do lose, and its quite a bit, is because of a dumb mistake I’ve made and get punished big time. But when I’m in the zone, I can pummel someone all day going all round without hardly getting hit. She’s tough, but so fun! My hardest matchups right now are Blanka, and other Cammy’s.
:wonder: Im afraid we cant play because we probably would have less than 3 bars , im from France .
Jchensor, as someone who played against you, I think you’re missing some of ST4’s details because you’re exceedingly comfortable with ST. For example, you never tried to cancel Drills off of LKs (c.LK, c.LP, link c.LK, RH Drill works; c.LK, link c.LK, RH Drill also works: it adds up fast) because we were in a poke war - a battle Cammy usually slaughters Ken at, but no longer can. I played much less aggressively to try to keep an eye out for EX Air Spike because you basically get whatever you want when you land it, and you snuff virtually any not SRK-style attack, but even when you might have been able to land it, you never went for it ( and I breathed a sigh of relief ). She has a great throw game because of her walking speed. She eats fireballs alive (ex ground drill, or jump-over dive kick, or ultra).
I think her hooligan being suck hurts a great deal, because you can’t string attacks in close without leaving the ground for a TK Dive Kick.
Swapping to a secondary with tricks for a weekend or two might help your Cammy game. She’s not great, but she’s not the worst.
The entire Cammy forum has become frowntown, with threads titled “What’s a good alt for my Cammy” and “My Spirit Has Been Broken”. Doesn’t it just make you want to pick Sagat?
Buk made some excellent points about Cammy. I tried Viper for a week and definitely, c.MK xx Knuckle feels great, hit or block. You can’t do that with Cammy. You don’t get a million mistakes with her, you can’t Target Combo into Space Opera Symphony, you can’t Lariat all your troubles away. But she’s got one of the tougher to punish shoryus in the game, great speed, good damage for such a fast character, EX Strike, Spike xx FA xx Ultra, and on top of that, she’s a fun and cool character. Can Cammy forums be happy now plx?
This post is great! It makes me warm inside! Also, are we forgetting: Buns Out! Can’t beat that! Second closest is Sagat’s camel toe, and that’s not good at all!
That analogy has always been in the very back of my head actually. Although, I find myself saying “non-broken Rufus” more so than “well-rounded Rufus”.
I’ve just recently have been giving Cammy more of my attention (despite me maining her in ST and HDR, most of my SFIV time is dedicated to Viper). I tend to play rushdown with her whenever I do play with her using her dive kicks. Problem is, her dive kicks don’t give nearly as much frame advantage as Rufus’ and if that actually isn’t the case, it certainly feels like it is the case (hence why I refer to her as non-broken Rufus). So her rushdown ultimately isn’t nearly as strong or scary as Rufus’. Add the fact that she has no real overhead to fear and hooligan doesn’t grab crouched, it’s hard to keep pressure consistently. 
Luckily, I’ve gotten out of my ST habits with her though. Also, dive kick - s.hp - CSpike - FADC - CSpike - FADC - Ultra is about as fun as comboing into Viper’s ultra and seeing it connect.
Man, I’m having some really bad growing pains with Cammy. I can do her combos and everything fine, but I get online and I get obliterated by guys who I know I would easily beat with my main. It sucks because one round I’ll get destroyed, the next I’ll destroy them because Cammy is a powerhouse, and then third round I lose a close one.
How do you guys rush down? I can’t keep the pressure consistent, her SBF is damn near useless because it’s so slow. Should I be more patient and just wait for pokes --> spiral arrow/cannon spike?
Yes, we will make the Cammy Forums a Happy Place, now.
Thanks everyone. This thread has helped me tremendously, and my faith in Cammy has largely been restored. Do I think she’s a top tier character? Not even close. But at least I have a much better idea of what Cammy is in SFIV. It’s true, I’m playing her too much like ST, and breaking a lot of those habits and having everyone talk over that concept has helped me a lot. I was far more patient tonight and did much, much better. So yes, I’m no longer going to drop Cammy. She’ll still be my “main” although I will still have co-main characters with someone else (most likely Gief).
But I want to say thanks to everyone in this thread for keeping me encouraged to keep using Cammy. I appreciate it very much. She’s back, baby! 
I’m not a Cammy player, but I feel your pain man.
I refuse to play any of the “easy” characters to win with, my highest tier chars that I play are either Chun or Dhalsim, which some may argue are still good in comparison of tiers, but are nowhere near the top - especially in online play. With these 2 chars, I definately know how it feels to have to “work harder then your opponents to win”. Especially considering those 2 characters have some of the lowest health in the game - even lower then Cammys. Plus neither of them are “big hitters” - so that means we have to work hard.
I know how discouraging it is when your working hard, and have done more then enough work that you should have the match won, and then an easy-mode character catches you with something that finishes you off, even though you for sure deserve a win.
I dont think it’s necessarily our characters that are the issue though - its just that some of the high tier characters are entirely too easy to win with. Aside from some of the S tier chars, I’ve found that most of the characters have to work hard to win.
One time I went against a Zangief that seemed like one of the worst I faced - an easy win. He literally spammed Lariats non stop and did piledriver when close - NO other moves. Messed up part - the match ended and he was something around 3200 rating. I know ratings dont mean much, but there is no way anyone should have that much with the pathetic skills he showed in that fight.
I know it could be argued whether he is OP or not, and that you just need to know how to fight him with your char, but that’s not really what I’m saying. I’m not saying he is OP, because that would mean he would be too powerful in the hands of a master, and while hes strong in the hands of a master, I would not say he is OP.
All I’m saying is if he is so easy to play, that should be considered a problem as well. Balance should not just mean how good a character can be in the hands of a master… it should also mean that a crappy player should not be able to reguarly defeat more skilled players due to “fluke wins”.
I believe that type of thing is what is responsible for our issues - the few characters that are too easy to play in comparison to the rest of the cast. That makes it so luck means more then skill at times when going against them.
Lol…every cammy i trump wont bow, i dunno one xbl cammy i havent beat yet. i like the stubborness but you guys will recognize me as your queen/king:looney: soon enough…
Im gonna start looking for Vas on PS3 although im a bit of a clone of his…i have my own style:wgrin:
i think Buktooth is wrong also…i think cammy is very limited in the repeated use of her moves but all her tools need to be used as they are all valuable one two punches…just cause spin knuckle sucks a sack of baby dicks doesnt mean deny it…
u can use spin knuckle as a ultra setup most people unfamiliar with it try to actually punish it the first time…use it to ur advantage.
crossup lk is very situational…but as a crossup its rather weak…dont be foolish as to try to use it all day
hooligan is very very very valuable vs sagats…when your getting zoned and your 4 characters away it can take the god tier status away from the “king” because he wont be prepared to throw that zoneing HK out there to keep u away before u already have those pasty english thighs around his fuckin throat.
Oh man…I do this too! :annoy: I also seem to be throwing out Cannon Spikes when I want to do an Ultra instead. I’m currently participating in a tournament and I’m using Cammy…I gotta make sure I don’t throw out too many Drills or I’ll lose.
I really don’t see that. I feel Rufus has better pokes. cHP, sMP, sMK. Tornado doesn’t need EX to go through fireballs. Dive kick is a more versatile than Cannon Dive. Cammy has better frame data on hers, but Rufus is much better at changing angles, heights, etc. The only thing Rufus doesn’t have is a SRK, but whatever.
Rufus has a lot of solid pokes and good rushdown. Cammy, imo, has very limited pokes and is really more of a counter-poker and has good defense. They are pretty much the opposite of each other.
Hooligan is good, but you have to set it up. You just have to remember to you it’s a slow ass move, but to them it looks just like you are jumping in the air. Read how they react to your jump-ins and play accordingly.
Spin Knuckle isn’t great, but it has decent priority and it’s range and timing can be kind of weird if the opponent isn’t familiar with it (and why would they be?)
The more offensive your opponent is the more Cannon Drills can be used out in the open. I pretty much never use it when someone turtles.
Mostly, the big problem is that she can’t really force mistakes. You have to play her smart and a defensive (or at least reactive rather than proactive). Thankfully, her Ultra is pretty solid which makes that as a decent means of coming back. But yeah, with no real way to screw people up, she’s even at best in most match-ups.
Wait do you play el fuerte also? You just the said the same thing every other fuertes I know. It seem like Cammy and Fuerte share one thing. Losing matches by dumb mistakes.
Edit: the low tier characters forums are the best. It’s show some of the msot hardest working people, I have ever seen. Take a look at the fuerte forums for example. They never give up on fuerte, and that’s a fact.
It will usually make you a better player in the end as well.
Just imagine if the low tier chars get boosted in a patch someday 
True dat Spyridon. A boot will be good for them.