Other Publishers and General Comic Book Discussion Thread

Yeah, that entire Avengers line-up is almost entirely street level. Like Dr. Strange is the only guy that Cap couldn’t probably beat straight up in a fist fight. But you know that if Cap ever went rogue and took them on, Strange would catch a shield in the face mid-sentence before it started anyway, so it doesn’t matter.

The DC/JLA equilvalent would be like Black Canary, Connor Hawke, Nightwing, Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger, Batgirl, Hawkman, and then like…Green Lanturn or something. What possible situation would come up in which Green Lanturn couldn’t take care of by himself?

…actually that would be a fucking awesome team - that’s like six of the top seven martial artists in the DCU. And thus that New Avengers line-up doesn’t look that bad by comparison.

Assuming Ronin’s like Daredevil or Cap, they have like three or four of the top ten non-Gamora-level martial artists in the Marvel universe. If all the stories are with villians of comparable street level - and no more of those insane Magneto/House of M/Xorn bullshit stories - it could be really cool.

With the exception of Strange, this team is almost kind of Outsiders level powerful. Kind of like the old Claremont/Byrne X-Men, before stuff like…Jean Grey lifting buildings or creating fire with her telekinesis by rubbing air molecules together, and just Magneto by himself was powerful enough to make everyone shit their pants - you wouldn’t want to see this team running around the Savage Land or a Shi’ar starship or something?

But if Bendis goes back to the standard Avengers or JLA level stories, like on a planetary level, then things will go badly.

The best way to do it would be to emphasize how fucking badass it is to have a team that knows this much old school Kung-Fu - Iron Fist, Ronin, Echo, and Wolvie? I want them in Madripoor, with Wolvie as Patch, fighting Hand ninjas and Omega Red or something. (Maybe guess starring Psylocke…? Please?)

Like that previous Hand fight in New Avengers would hav kicked three times as much ass with this team (again, minus Strange).

Unfortunately I don’t see Bendis writing that kind of book. You know who would be perfect though, for a cast like this? Not Bru. Not specifically at least - he’s good at everything. But a guy who would fit perfectly for this book would be like Chuck Dixon. Write New Avengers not like old Avengers, but more like the old Carlos Pachelo Heroes For Hire or Power Man and Iron Fist - street level stuff.

Wheldon would be pretty good too.

A shame that I have absolutely no faith in the big companies to get a big name book right though these days.

Wolverine is like over 200 years old. He must have mastered some if not all forms of karate in that time. I know that at the very least he’s a samurai and ninja master.

When you think about even in a hand-to-hand fight Wolverine has an unfair advantage. Since he has the adamantium whoever he hits is getting knocked out. Plus the healing factor is still there.

Assuming he wears one of those collars that inhibit powers then Captain America might have a chance. I could see Wolverine’s use of his claws making his hand-to-hand skills sloppy over the years but maybe I should give him more credit than that.

Oh shit, I missed the nerd fight breaking out a couple posts back.

Captain America fucking wins everything hand-to-hand, don’t even consider otherwise.

On paper, Wolverine’s unstoppable against almost all street level guys. I admit this. I’ve even argued this - back when I did nothing but post in a Versus Fights forum on CBR. Because in theory, he’s physically able to take hits from like Class 90-100 guys and keep going, any damage HE inflicts is permanent, and he’s got at least enough skill and experience to hang in there, take punishment, and still outlast against guys who are more talented than him. Right?

You look at Cap fighting like…Batroc the Leaper or some loser like that, and you think…well if Batroc can hit him, and Wolvie > Batroc, then Wolvie could AT LEAST probably hit Cap once.

And…

hitting Cap once = permanent battle damage
=> Cap now < Cap before
=> as the fight goes on = more hits. Thus time (t) becomes a function of hits (h), such that t = f(h) = kh, where k is some constant. And so…

limit as h -> infinity = dead Cap

Can be written as…

limit as t -> infinity = dead Cap

Therefore I have just mathematically proven that it’s only a matter of fucking time before Cap goes down! Right?

FUCKIN’ WRONG MAN

Because you read enough comics with Cap and consider his ridiculous fight record against everyone in the Marvel universe - you realize that he is pretty much unstoppable in hand to hand.

Cap is the by far the strongest, most agile (maybe second next to Daredevil), slower than maybe only Batgirl, and the smartest street level character in either universe. Flip the Batroc example around, and you note that Wolvie’s been given trouble by guys that are far from Cap’s level - Deathbird, Gambit, Ogun, Silver Samurai, Daredevil…

Yeah, Wolvie’s got more training and experience (that’s with the assumption that he didn’t forget a lot of it like he’s forgotten everything else, which is not an insignificant assumption), but Cap is a fucking hand to hand prodigy - he’s the Mozart of kicking ass. Mozart looks at the piano, he sees a song. Cap looks at you, he sees a dead mo’fucker.

His game plan would be…“I don’t want to do this, soldier…but I will put you down if I have to” xx turtle for seven panels xx throw shield xx American boxing judo style command throw xx American boxing judo style chop xx shield finishes bouncing off the Statue of Liberty, Mount Rushmore, the Liberty Bell and hits Wolvie in the back of the knee, exposing stun animation for 0.0001 seconds xx nerve shot xx nerve shot xx nerve shot xx KO shots to adamantium-less eyes and neck.

There’s also the track record in the comics - I’ve read like two actual fights between the two, and I’m not even sure if one of them happened. I vaguely remember them fighting in their first meeting in Uncanny #268 (one of the best X-Men issues ever), but I don’t know if that actually happened - I may just have imagined everything. …uh…ignore this paragraph.

Anyway, I forget the specifics of the other one, but I’m not lying or exaggerating about this one - Cap fucking punches Wolvie out THROUGH A JEEP. Like…not into it…THROUGH IT. Like he punched his ass, and he flew into the jeep so hard, he pretty much cut it in half. It was fucking awesome and yet completely believable, though I wish I could remember the actual issue so I could download it. Maybe I’ll reregister and ask the Rumbles board.

Whatever. Anyway. Always pick Cap. ALWAYS.

I used to be the biggest flag bearer on the Batman side in those Batman vs. Captain no-prep, killing intent, straight up fist fight, no equipment threads - but I went through enough of them and saw enough Cap arguments that I see the light now. Fuck, Cap could kick Batman’s ass 8/10 times WITH standard equipment. Not a slight against Batman though - Cap is just that awesome.

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Cap for the fucking win. Seriously.

Haha, you better believe he’d say that.

You typed everything I was going to, but now I don’t have to.

Go Cap. Mother fucka whips ass with a Metal concave disc.

He beat up Germany by himself. AN ENTIRE NATION, BY HIMSELF.

Plus, one time, Cap killed Dracula. He is a hero. An AMERICAN hero.

Carpet Lint is a doo-doo head.

Wolverine only gets troubled by those guys because he can. He’s the whipping boy merely because he’s the only one that can survive a real whipping. He’s the guy they use to put other people over just because of his power. And you know what? He still kicks caps ass 11 times out of 10. It was stated that Wolverine si a brawler but he’s not. he uses his healing factor to bait people into attacking him when he’s vulnerable forcing them to make themselves vulnerable and he wins trades all day.

Wolverine holds back because he has a hard time bringing himself back from the edge when he’s in killer mode. Wolverine in berseker mode cannot be contained. Wolverine just got finished kicking caps ass in Origins (Fuk you it’s canon!) White Queen had to save captain america from getting shishkabobbed. Normally I’d indulge the geek fest, but you guys are crazy. There are only a handful of martial artist/heroes that are fucking with wolverine unleashed and cap is not one of them. Sorry. Wolverine gutted Gamora. Fucking “I Commit Genocide On Days That End in Y” Gamora.

Berserker Edit: And that’s The SECOND time Wolvy beat Cap’s ass. The first time it was in captain america’s own comic book. You don’t read enough. What worthless nerds you are.

Are you talking Wolverine vs Cap straight hand to hand? Then possibly yes. But if it is all out Wolverine takes him out hands down. Didnt they get into a few months ago and it was all wolverine could do to not kill him after severing arteries in his leg? Sure it was with a “legendary” sword but my point is Cap is nothing compared to the bloody enraged beast that is Wolverine. Cap fighting skills are superb but even with his cherished shield he wouldnt live to tell the tale if they went all out.

Just my opinion though =)

cap was in a coma for 30 years. Wolverine is how old? Wolverine wins this one easy, on almost every level

And Cap had wolverine’s sword. Wolverine was trying to be nice, cap took advantage, took the sword, cut him, and wolverine gave that nigga some extra ventilation and was an inch away from going Lex the Impaler on his ass. Not literally.

We were just talking about hand to hand or at least I was anyway. Obviously once the claws come out the tide of the battle shifts dramatically.

P.S. What the hell is this sword the Muramasa Blade? What does it do? Why does Wolverine even need the sword?

Oh shit. it is I who can’t read. Nerd failure.

Taskmaster:

Doesn’t Ed McGuiness do the artwork for Cable & Deadpool? I really liked his work on Superman/Batman. If he does indeed do the artwork, I might start buying or at least reading Cable & Deadpool (money’s tight these days…:sad:).

You know Cap has a big shield right? A big indestructable shield which is basically a part of his body right?

And I was talking about with the claws.

Cap would kick his ass.

LOL @ RandomNigga. Wolvie > Cap 1 on 1.

That big shield means shit when wolverine slices his hands off. Thats if he takes the time to do that. That shield was made to fight nazis not an animalistic clawbearing mutant.

As some of you kid’s forget, the shield is MADE OF ADAMANTIUM. The SAME SUBSTANCE THAT MADE WOLVERINE WHO HE IS. And Cap can dodge all that shit like a virgin ballerina dodging a hormone enraged choir boy.

Dammit.What have I done? Adam Warlock was right. This is so not what I intended when I was talking about Wolverine. I’ll just admit to Captain America being a better unarmed fighter than Logan and vice versa when it comes to weapon combat and leave it at that.

is wolverinves’ neck strong enough not to get decapitiated by the shit? (shield)

fuck no. Capt americai is going for direct force.

Nah, it’s made of a vibranium-steel alloy that was made by accident.

It’s indestructable though.

Wait…what? I remember it being adamantium. Well, fuck. But, yeah, still indestructible. But, damn, fuck.