Other Publishers and General Comic Book Discussion Thread

Picked up Astonishing X-men, Justice League of america, onslaught reborn, ultimate power and Justice today.

I probably shouldn’t have picked up onslaught reborn. I haven’t read it yet, but I know it’s gonna be really really bad. Jeph Loeb hasn’t really done anything good for a very long time now.

Dont forget Liefeld is doing his shitty art aswell.

Loeb isn’t a miracle worker, I don’t even think Morrison (as he is now) or Johns could make Onslaught Reborn work on anything like a basic action story like that any better. But I think Loeb, like BKV may soon be, is being distracted by to many projects at once.

Anyone reading Ultimate Power, has gotten any better from the first two issues? It fell off my radar and I am wondering if I should bother with it or should I spare myself unnecessary trauma.

Agreed. Liefield plus Loeb plus Onslaught should have been a huge enough warning to tell me not to pick this comic up… but I still did it. I gotta learn to have more self-control.

The same thing happened when I picked up that Jim Lee Superman For Tomorrow arc. 12 issues of garbage and I still picked it up.

I hope BKV keeps it together for the next few months. He is gonna be off Runaways so that will lighten the load a bit… and hopefully his final story arc on Y: the last man will be killer.

I haven’t read the 3rd issue yet, but my thoughts on the brawl between the Marvel Ultimate universe and the Squadron Supreme was that it was too one-sided. The squadron was being tossed around like rag dolls (especially Hyperion). I know the numbers favored the Marvel side… but from the fight depicted it looked like the squadron was never really a threat to begin with. The squadron came off rag tag group of inexperienced superpowers.

Hopefully that will change after I read issue 3.

Also while Greg Land’s art style is definitely unique, it doesn’t seem to fit in this story IMO. I’m not sure what it is. I enjoyed his art back during his days on Sojourn… but right now it seems a bit out of place for me.

Greg Land’s art has become too fanboyish lately. Nothing wrong with using photo references, but it’s really distracting to the story when it looks like every photo reference for a female character is a porn star. I’ve seen some websites where people even show that he reuses the same poses and facial expressions, essentially “swiping” from himself. I feel like his art makes for good posters, but it’s just static-looking in a comics story. Plus, reading one of his recent comics makes me feel like comics are for horny little kids.

His Nightwing and Sojourn art sure kicked a lot of butt, though. Those comics looked a lot less anal.


So I recently read Joe Kubert’s Yossel: April 19th, 1943. Man, that is an amazing graphic novel. It’s a realistic fiction story about a young artist during Warsaw Ghetto uprising. Really powerful. Kubert drew this one with just pencils, no inks, and there aren’t any gutters or panel borders. All the images just kind of sit together, although everything is very clear. His approach gives the story a lot of direct impact, because the protagonist likes to draw and he finds solace in his art.

It’s just ridiculous how emotionally intense this comic is. Yossel reminds me how much I hate Nazis. After I read this, I started looking up Warsaw in WWII just to educate myself better and learn more about real history. The sad thing about this comic is that it’s so tragic and it leads to an inevitable outcome.

The moral of the story is, a multi-thousand dollar, 4 year college education just isn’t worth as much as a 25 dollar graphic novel that you can borrow for free at the local library.

He’s done way more than use “references” and swipe “himself”. He traces pictures AND artwork from other people on the regular.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=93866&highlight=Greg+Land+tracing


http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/1191744.html
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82103

Land obviously has talent, but he may need to work on his basics first. It seems that damn near everything he does is either traced, or copied from something else.

NOOOO!! I refuse to believe this!:sad:

But seriously, I like his artwork nonetheless. Sure he needs to learn to be more creative and new (seriously, his line art hasn’t changed much since Phoenix:Endsong and the start of UFF) but I like realism. He needs a bit of help to distinguish his females, if anything.

So I just came back from the comic shop and picked up a couple short boxes to organize things. So far I have 5 short boxes and a bunch of manga sitting around. How big are your collections anyways?

I have 7 long boxes worth of material. This collection is only getting bigger and bigger until the day comic writing goes back to the 90’s way of writing. Until then, I’m a loyal reader.

finished the first arc of runaways vol. 2 - hot damn that was a great read. darkhawk > you

newuniversal #2 Thursday! w00t!

Anybody know anything about this?

Remember the mid-90’s annual ‘event’ where every DC annual was an Elseworlds tale? Time for the sequel. Finally, fanboys and girls alike will get to revisit the worlds of “What If Superman fought in the Revolutionary War” (only this time, it’s 1812!) and “What If Catwoman was an Actual Catwoman.”

Incidentally, I’m still looking for the non-Elseworlds one-shot Batman issue (probably an annual from the 1990’s) where a descendant of Batman fought against villains from the future who were inspired by his modern-day enemies, including a criminal geneticist who’d patterned herself off of Catwoman, except she’d genespliced herself into a JLU (cartoon) Cheetah-esque tiger-woman hybrid…anybody know the issue number and/or series?

Onslaught Reborn was bad as expected. It seems like Loeb doesn’t even edit his own material. There’s no flow to the story at all. And Liefield is a bit over the top with his crappy artwork.

Justice on the other hand was pretty good. A few reveals in this issue.

Also read Astonishing X-men which was good as always.

As well as Justice League of America - Interesting. The writing style may get a little boring to read in future issues though I think.

And picked up ultimate power. I don’t think Bendis has read a single issue of Supreme Power/Squadron Supreme. His characterizations are way off, especially for Zarda. Also where’s Emil Burbank the smartest character in the Squadron supreme world?

Remember one thing about Loeb: He writes to the strength of his artists.

Therefore:

Liefeld = Crap
Loeb writing = Crap

I can’t explain Hush though. Crappy writer couple by beautiful art. Jim Lee should have just done everything himself.

Woot. Civil war is gonna be released tomorrow.

I can’t wait.

are you kidding? we still would have been waiting for issue 5

actually it’s gonna be released thursday. new year’s kinda fucked up the shipping. that and the national day of mourning thing

I could have waited. The story should have been a silent arc. Just Batman fucking people’s shit up with no word balloons or thought captions. Just straightup fight scenes. As a matter of fact, issue 12 may have hit today if you wanna play release theory.

How can younot like Greg Lands art ?

Shit is amazing.

Ultimate Fantastic Four > Your life.

ALL artists trace and reuse shit. ALL. Jim Lee and Michael Turner draw the SAME faces for everyone.

Almost all of Alex Ross’ poses come from him copying a picture he took and he draws the exact pose.

But yeah, lol at blatant tracing. lol at comic nerds getting angry.

FABLES 11!!!111

Yeah. Jim Lee is especially difficult. His Bruce Wayne looks like Superman wearing a business suit.

He also steals/traces other artist, AmazingMrDanger. That’s just not cool.

He’s like a good liefield.

lawlz. :angel: :lovin: :wonder: :rofl: :annoy: