Now we have a 3-way mixup of terrorism, religion, and pussy. I guess it kind of makes sense those 3 subjects would be mentioned together, but I’m confused as all hell how as to how this happened…
How convenient, you left out the part where we fuck up our own economy in the process of doing so to others.
hahaa for all yall talking crazySchiavo out oyur face apparently you can save some for the pentagon since they say that had a plan for capture if he 'didnt immediately surrende’r (if you buy it): details at: U.S. was prepared to fight Pakistani forces, officials say - CNN.com
anf for all yall talking bleeding heart liberal like Im defending terrorists, im sorry you misundrestood. I am simply staying vigilant of the govt encroaching on the constitution, defending the rights f individuals against an n expanding govt:
so it only took a fewe days
Al Qaeda in Yemen: DU.S.-born cleric was target of Yemen drone strike - Page 2 - Los Angeles Times
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It just follows the same trend as any other topic on here…
[Thread topic] + religion + pussy
True, and my example was short-sighted in that regard (particularly in that those regulations aren’t the meat and potatoes of Christianity). Reading your discussions on the matter, it strikes me as though you strongly believe that God (in the Bible) has ordained and done things that you find monstrous and evil according to your understanding of morality. It seems as though even if it were proven to you that God did exist as depicted in the Bible, you would still refuse to love Him based on these objections. Is that a fair statement?
So tell me, do you hoenstly think the battle line of “Democrats vs Republicans” or “Conservs vs Liberals” actually matters in the long run? Maybe I should better phrase it in that I’m asking do you truly think there’s a sharp division between the political parties?
@Cletus: If there was indeed a God and it was the God depicted in the bible I would very much fear for every being that has ever existed.
When you have the inclination, peruse these links:
Skeptic’s Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon (also has a skeptics annotated Qur’an and Book of Mormon)
Why isn't America criticized for being evil due to their activities in World War 2? President Truman sent the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, killing the women, children, infants, and the animals that lived there too, right? It was never considered an evil/immoral/bloodthirsty order of America though.uh? dont you assume how people feel, i have never cared bout an ex being with someone else. lol why should i…ive done most of the breaking up. trust me, its def not about the sex wit my ex’s. your goin on some crazy assumption here that its your body speaking to you. its far far more simplier man.
Depends on where you go dude, I can tell you from being in China, the U.S. gets a lot of criticism, and also snide remarks. A few Chinese I’ve talked to have outright said the war on terror was bullshit in their eyes, and one of my Chinese friends decided to talk about how all americans are warmongers and love conflict. -__-
Given America’s actions in foreign affairs over the past 50+ years it’s very hard to argue against that accusation.
China isn’t alone. While I was in Europe last year, that was pretty much the general consensus as well.
Huh.
I’m no warmonger, and I would wager that neither are you.
It isn’t THAT hard to argue against.
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Everybody always hates on the top dog. And before we were top dog, it was the Euro’s. Who brought about the ends of their own empires with WW1 and WW2. And let’s not forget that the French were the ones dicking around in Africa for the longest, and hence why they all speak French, the Brits were the ones that redrew the maple of the Middle East with a fucking crayon after trashing it in WW1 cause fuck the Turks, and the turns were no saints but they kept the Muslim world from going batshit by killing the crap out of them. The French also caused havoc in Asia. The UK was a good influence in India/Pakistan but when they left they made a royal mess of things. And let’s not forget Spain and Portugal raising chaos all over South America before we told them to stop fucking around.
When it comes down to it, prior to WW2 were are pretty isolationist and benevolent power while everybody else was playing empire, and they still would be doing the same thing had they not, you know, blown each other to pieces.
But, hey, let’s take a look at American dickery and war mongering post WW2 and see if it’s really all that bad or a bunch of Euro’s being pissed off because they lost at a real life game of risk and fucked up their global pyramid schemes!
Korean war- I don’t think anybody other than North Korea would say this was a bad thing now. South Korea is a model fucking economy with first rate everything. They are a major trading partner for all the major players and an utterly stunning success. The main party that was upset about that, and actually fought us, were the Chinese, and at this point they fucking love South Korea as a trading partner and manufacturing partner, plus SK isn’t pants on head crazy and is a great partner for them in the region.
Vietnam war- largely stupid, but largely not our fault. Keep in mind Vietnam was a French colony and issue and we only went in there after the French made a royal mess out of it which is what caused all the problems that started the entire thing off. Lesson learned, don’t get involved in French problems after they make a mess out of this, more on this in a few.
Afghanistan round 1- it wasn’t our fight, but the Soviets were pretty crazy and prior to their up an invading it Afghanistan wasn’t a total and utter disaster. We didn’t really go to war here, but let’s count it. The blowback was pretty bad and caused all sorts of problems, but hindsight is 20/20 and we were largely asked to do this by the Muslim world because of the Soviet ban on religion. In retrospect we should have given it to them, let them ban Islam and watch the fiasco.
Iraq round 1- We were begged to do this by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, most of the Arab states, and most of the world. Plus everybody jumped on that dog pile. Tossing a dictator out of neighboring state, who happens to be a close ally, when they and your other friends come crying to you in a panic does not make war mongering.
Kosovo- We didn’t want to do it, dragged our heels on it, nearly avoided it, then went in to stop a genocide half ass’d with the rest of the Europeans. This was more police actions than anything because we didn’t want another ethnic cleansing in Europe, and we didn’t want to do it and had to get pressured into it, not war mongering.
Afghanistan round 2- Not really war mongering considering 9/11, poorly executed and very stupid sure. But punching back doesn’t make you an aggressor.
Iraq round 2- War mongering through and through and also stupid.
Of course, there was all sorts of other dicking around. The entire Iran mess and the Shah, yeah that was bad. However we did that one because the fucking UK asked us to do it so a British company who taxes were supporting most of it’s lavish socialist style system would have gone under and fucked the UK if we didn’t. We did that mess for the UK and BP, lesson learned, fuck BP.
The same can be said for the other dicking around incidents.
There is a lot of stupid, but it’s hardly war mongering and it’s not even always American in nature, it’s often “time to clean up another Frenchy or British mess”.
That’s not my argument, The discussion was about the genocide in the Bible part. What was being said was that God in the Bible is a hypocritical blood thristy God, and the story of the killing of the entire Amorite tribes is an example that. Fishjie, CU2, and even the links you gave use to show their point. So thats what you guys need to answer, was President Truman a blood thirsty. tyrant. genocide maniac for sending the bomb and killing a bunch of Japanese men, women, kids, and babies or was that just a drastic measure for a greater good?
Just remember, the USA where the good guysand the Japs where the Evil guys during WW2
That’s exactly what I said to some eurotrash douche in Sweden. What I meant by saying it’s hard to argue against the accusation is that these people form this opinion by going over America’s recent history with a very narrow generalized view (although I do acknowledge that the US military seems to get involved in one conflict after another). It’s an uphill battle dealing with someone like that and I just brushed it off. I am not some goodwill ambassador, I was vacation dammit!
You brought up a lot of good points but this line made me laugh!
Damn. I just HAD to read this thread after seeing bewd’s post. I still remember the one about the teacher who ripped off part of a kid’s face for not doing his homework. :wow: I can only imagine what Martial arts training is like over there.
-Starhammer-
Oh yeah, forgot, Lybia, who got us into that one! The fucking French, again.
World War I is pure comedy. After the first two countries, did ANYONE enter that war without kicking and screaming the whole way?
Since the topic of wars has entered this thread. Forget religion point of views… the middle east does deserve a Hiroshima thing. And i say this as a man who is against violence, and who also has total respect for the people of that ethnicity.
I’ve seen so many graphic video clips of violence down there, and i can even send a link to something very recent (but i know that’s not allowed here) and i just think that has to be put to an end and peace offerings are negative. I can PM any one who’s interested in seeing but i should warn you on how disturbing the barbarianism is over there.
So what’s nuking them going to do?
It fixed Japan; gave us tentacle porn and Street Fighter.