So revenge was the motive? Makes perfect sense. I’m sure Amorite/Amalekite newborns were armed with lil spears and clubs to commit wanton baby genocide.
BTW, contrary to what was portrayed by the Egyptians AKA THEIR ENEMY, the Amorites had a rich, complex society and weren’t just a bunch of savages. Oh and during that period of time surprise invasions and subjugation were standard warfare tactics. It’s just that the winners wrote the history books.
Oh and let’s not forget about the covenant they had with Israel, so much for that.
Well considering the Israelites were being instructed to kill Amazon beast women and demonic were-babies wielding broadswords from a god that could smite them himself in an instant. Yeah I guess I’m not using the left hemisphere of my brain properly.
What version are you reading? Trust me versions matter. I read the KJV since it’s the more snickers grounded version.
YHWH/Jesus is supposed to be the Good God: When you say Good you include the role of the righteous Judge… the measure of demonic is shown well from the Amorites, Nazi’s, and OBL himself. This is the reason why killing OBL is justified and not immoral, because that terrorist attack on 9/11 is what you consider some demonic shit.
history isn’t just the only element in understanding the Bible but also sociology. If all these bible accusations where all accurate as you atheists put it to be, then why would we have actual people devouting their lives in service to this God ever since early BC? Why would we have guys decide to become priests or theologists make a living off an illogical/hypocritical commitment when they could actually do something else that makes better money and greater liberation?
It;s underlining the ignorance. The point in total is that religion (Islam and Christianty) never represented and was never built on violence. It just contained a bunch of bad apples who did believe in a higher power yet where also consumed with allot of negative emotions - and sins (if you will) of Pride, and those bad people probably influenced their children (generations to generations) into that hate and false belief that “this is what God wants”.
Edit: that’s your only source? Some guy who got that argument off a History channel document?
“There was a program I saw on the history channel about the Exodus, and that the ancient Hebrews were a nomadic warrior people.”
I’m tired, and I’m not going to go dig up the references for you.
But I will say this:
I’ll take the theories of archeologists and historians every day of the week, and twice on Sunday, over any religious text’s fantastical, self-serving slant on things.
I’m an atheist born into a very devout household. I didn’t become an atheist because of some personal tragedy that made me deny god, nor did I become one to be a part of some progressive counterculture. I was fixated on the word of god and read the bible cover to cover, and I, for some cursed reason was the only one tormented by the illogical, wayward actions by god and the people he instructed. Looking at the contradictions of vestigial limbs/cancers/parasitism in biology, and the “par-fection” of divine creation along with many other discrepancies is what led me to this point, nothing more, nothing less.
So I distinctly remember these scenarios from my own personal experiences, not e-perusing for kindling to fire my atheism. I was an atheist before I even had knowledge of the term, I’m simply a person who seeks the truth through pure rationality, not faith.
This is my last post on the matter, and I apologize to my fellow posters for veering the thread off course. It’s just immensely frustrating to have this conversation while tiptoeing around blatantly obvious conflicting issues.
Cisco, sorry if my e-tone seemed to be fomenting any kind of hostility, that isn’t a good way to have a meaningful discourse. But at least see by the verse I posted specifically stating the actions that the lord, thy god instructed; this cannot be contested in any rational way. It’s there, clear as day… so please, can you at least admit to this?
Revenge, no… it’s what you call Justice and eradication of future shit.
Let me ask you questions for you to understand the logic of the killing of the Amarites.
Do you agree with the previous argument that Killing Osama was wrong?
If Obama ordered the US Military troops to take out the al’queda and other terrorist groups, are you going to criticize obama as an evil president?
Is The 9/11 attack the only reason why The usa ordered for osama to be killed? No because he could also bring forth other future attacks on the USA.
That’s the same thing here. So use your logic on those questions to answer God’s reasons concerning the Amorites. The Amorites was not a huge nation, they where a secluded tribe of barbaric people. They had to be taken out the same reason why terrorists of this day need to be taken out.
the Amoirtes where documented to be barbaric mountaineers. Just where does this argument of yours come from. You already showed the god they worshiped, baal. What more of a clue do you need?
Read the entire story, bro. the whole story isn’t just in 1 Sam 15. Most anti-theist sites just snip verses or quotes off religious books and make it look as if it was the entire content, which isn’t correct.
You see, i’m a theist but at the same time i’m agnostic in terms of religion. I do believe in the Judeo-Christian God, however my view points is that religion is just points of view about him. Same thing with the bible. I think the authors of the bible wrote based on their understandings/points of view of God and the events being taken place.
I think you guys don’t know anything about the amerites and only heard about them from the Bible. Next, re-read, i said You need to see of the Amerites as how you see the Al’quade. please read about Tribes in early bc, (especially those who worshiped Ba’al). You can even watch the movie Apocalypto (not a ref of the middle east or early BC) to have a clue on how certain tribes around the world, who worshiped certain god’s where.
Ba’al worshipers did kill women and children of their opposers. It’s starting to strike me that you guys think the Amarites where not fully evil, please get over it, they where. Since the amerites where tribes who did murder/genocide on infants and women of their enemies for their god. the shit the amarites did documents all the way to Moses time…so please stop making it look like the situation with the Amerites is only found in Souls time. You had notes in the old testament (starting in Exodus) about that entire story. The Amerites where given peace at first, and time after time since Exodus that tribe did nothing but kill the innocent and spit on peace treaties with barbarianism. Thus when it came to the time in 1st Sam. God returned the experience, the suffering and cruelty they themselves gave to those they made war with. It’s not genocide, that’s simply an over due retribution.
Those guys had the chance of peace and a way out for a long time, and never once did they change their lifestyle of barbarianism.
1 Sam is only God ordering returning the favor and also giving the retribution to those who where victims.
I never said anything relevant to this reply. I said don’t take your arguments from Anti-theist sites, which means don’t develope your line of arguments from people who are just prejudice and ignorant towards christianity/theism.
Now before you half read my posts again and submit a counter to it. Answer this, you guys seen the movie apocalypto? Shit like that was true in history, and infact it’s much more inhumane than shown in the movie. There where tribes that sacrificed and tortured Infants to death, laying them on hot burning wood, cutting a hole in their chests alive or feeding them to random crocs infront of their families all for the purpose for sacrifice or domination. After generations of that, you guys think it’s cruel for them to get the same thing in the end? So all of those victims in the past will not have any retribution over them, they and their kids where just killed and sacrificed for free?
Now study up on the amerites, study on how Baal worshipers treated their enemies, so you can understand that in 1st Sam (after generations after exodus) - God simply had enough of that shit. And he gave the retribution to the victims ever since Moses time.
I’m done with this thread you guys really need to do some research before you make accusations. I was hoping this thread would have contained something concerning the credibility of Osama’s death or something but for some reasons, it’s sad that this thread will get locked with out that being touched.
Hellooooooooooooo, I started posting on SRK almost a decade ago and back then I was a christian. Read the entire book? I read it multiple times. Kinda one of the reasons I had to become an atheist. It became ludicrous trying to justify all the problems with the bible. Dumbass. Too bad they’ve deleted all those old posts, otherwise I could dig them up. It sucked having to argue on the same side as you, because you made the same crappy arguments back then as you do now, while simultaneously making posts about banging hoes.
SMH.
Come to evo sometime and I will buy you a hooker, just so I can rub it in your face every time you try to defend your religion.
Anyway, all I’m saying is that christianity used to be a blood thirsty religion, but it has evolved (yes, I’m using the word evolved for extra lulz) into something far more tame. Its a compliment. Quit getting your panties into a bunch. And to be fair, the new testemant (minus revelation) has mostly good stuff in it (Jefferson Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), although the whole concept of hell didn’t really evolve until christianity came along, so that’s the main problem I have with it.
Really fish? If you read the bible, then you would have left out the verse about the bears. Dumb ass. I already showed how misinformed you are with the rest of that copy pasted stuff on your first post. And this is your reply, why you became an atheist? Did you just supply this post to waste my time or did you mean for this to have a point?
Evil tribes did exist. Please look into White shadows link concerning Ba’al.
I don’t need to waste my time in this crap… religion debates are banned here anyway, so this is the last post before lock.
edit: whos the guy that started this? Before today, i was under the topic of the justification of the USA ganking OBL… and also waiting for more information regarding the credibility of his death. Now it’s the same “God of the bible is evil/good” that’s been on the internet before friendster days.
I’m not going to lock the thread. Instead, Cisco can’t post in this thread any more. Everything he’s posted is the same shit he posted five years ago. Even the die hard religious folks see contradictions in the bible. The fact that Cisco refuses to see why some people see that as an issue is kind of astounding.
So, no more religious talk here because cisco can’t post in this thread any more.
And Cisco, if I see you post in this thread after this you’re going to get a temp ban.
Religion discussions are great in that the people involved on either side are convinced that they can (and perhaps will) change the other parties mind. And yes, I’ve fallen prey to this.
