Yeah, but no one is saying “Block all Christians from coming to this country”
I shit on it too. But I’m pretty pointed to say “organized religion” and point out specific issues that are problematic within doctrine. Not to mention having grown up from inside the perspective of my faith gives me wider latitude to criticize. But I don’t blame all of Christianity for a few nutjobs.
“This is a growing problem within Christianity/Islam that they really need to deal with” is different than “The problem IS Christianity/Islam”
There are good people and bad people of every stripe.
I mean, if you as a person wanna just be like “fuck islam” and can still separate good muslims from bad muslims and treat them with respect… I guess I have to accept that.
But you have to understand that we as a society cannot go “fuck islam” because not only its illegal to discriminate based on religion and goes against our nations established values, a lot of people are a little too stupid to be able to tell a “good” muslim from a “bad” muslim.
Case in point: Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin. Dumbass didn’t even get the religion right.
Because as I mentioned earlier, if you add up the populations of all the Muslim countries where homosexuality will get you killed or jailed (and I don’t think I even have them all listed), the total population is almost 700 million. There are of course, also Christian nations that jail gays, too, but that’s a separate topic.
There are around 1.6 billion Muslims on Earth.
It’s not radical when nearly half of all Muslims in the world kill or jail gays.
Wow what a douche you are, who wishes for something like that? The thing you seem to be confused about (it’s ok, all progressives are confused, I forgive you) is that nobody is saying Christianity is a beacon of hope for all organized religion. Christianity is full of flaws and Christians have certainly done bad things. However, the reality is that Islam is wayyy more dangerous atm and currently presents an existential threat to Western culture (and pretty much any culture they come into contact with), which is way action needs to be taken. Why you keep trying to say “but look what Christians did” or keep trying to make it a race issue (race has literally nothing to do with it, the Tsarnaev bros were White Muslim terrorists) is beyond me, but it is a total red herring
Coming from the guy who literally said “Let em hang” when referring to refugees, that’s rich.
I didn’t say I “wished” for it. I said I can’t wait… because the probability of it happening again in our current political climate is 100%.
Jesus fucking Christ.
What I really wish is for you all to pull you head out of your asses for 4 seconds and realize you can’t BLANKET STATEMENT everyone in X category. Whether it’s religion, race, sex, country of origin, sexual preference, veteran status, or disability status.
THAT’S FUCKING IT.
This is not rocket science.
This isn’t sophie’s choice. It’s not hard.
This is basic human decency, as well as a core principle of our society and judicial system.
Obviously there are more problems in Muslim/Islamist countries right now than Christian countries. Obviously there are more radical Islamist terror groups than (X/Y) religion. Obviously more Islamic countries hate gays/women/whatever than Christian countries.
But these are problems WITHIN islam and have to be fixed WITH HELP FROM Islam, not problems of everyone within Islam. I’ve tried to bring about examples from our own country and from Christianity, not to say that we’re worse NOW, but he have been worse than current at previous times in history, and have changed for the better.
Buy y’all don’t do too well with examples, because if it’s not a 1:1 comparison in black and white, it doesn’t compute.
Actually, as I demonstrated, I CAN generalise about Islam’s stance on LGBTs. The majority of the Islamic population legally, not just religiously, outlaws it.
That is true. However, there are tons of differences that make me think Islam isn’t going to come out of this dark age: the world is more connected now, economies are interconnected and stronger, Israel, war with the West, etc. Sure Christianity went through a dark age, but the situations aren’t identical at all, and I don’t really see Islam recovering from this tbh. Which is why some sort of action needs to be taken
If you draw a satirical cartoon of Muhammad, the population will burn cars and buildings in violent protest for such an offensive sacrilege of the faith. You do not see the “moderate Muslims” across Muslim countries flipping cars demanding equality or at the very least reducing the charges from death to a fucking fine or something Lol. Religion of peace and love
Really? How many of those are fairly democratically elected governments that represent the will of the people?
As opposed to: theocracies, absolute monarchies, or strongman dictatorial governments.
How many of those countries are developed beyond even what the US was 50-60 years ago?
I know that some of these beliefs are from the stone age, but a lot of them are practically still in the stone age.
Again, I only point to the US, not because we had a history of putting homosexuals to the death, but we were pretty slow on the uptake on legalizing it.
The legal system in those countries is Sharia aka Holy Law. The Quaran IS the legal system. Now as god’s final revelation and unalterable text, to change the law or to reject the punishments dictated by the Quaran is to reject God. The punishment for blasphemy and apostates, as you may well imagine, is severe…
You guys need to get off your knees, your ISIS worship and demonising plays right into their hands. Meanwhile, guys like Mark Malkowski are having a good laugh and making a very good buck at your expense. Well not yours personally, nobody in real life ever gets shot its just this on tv phenomena.
and now it isn’t. Free thought has for the better part forced Christianity to take a backseat to that shit more and more. In fact, all this Christian fundementalism didn’t exist in the US until the 1850’s and didn’t take hold until the 1880’s, and started dying around the 1930’s. In these short years that’s still more progress than what they have. Europe in the last 60 years has made tremendous progress as well in letting people be up until recently.
I won’t lie, if the country wasn’t founded by deists then America would have devolved into the type of shit you see in African countries that are Christian fundamentalists.
Correct, but you’re moving the goalposts - we’re talking specifically about Islam, and only Islam. As I said earlier, Christianity is not absolved of LGBT intolerance.
The notion that LGBT punishment is only part of radical Islam is demonstrably false - it is the norm for Islamic communities to be anti-LGBT.
I mean, obviously the fact that we, the most prosperous and freedom loving country on earth, just achieved some measure of social equality within the past 10/15 years has nothing to do with the conversation about how we should view the backwater nations on earth that haven’t quite got there yet.
We’ve been here long enough to know you weren’t “just making a statement”.
Both Christianity and Islam treat still LGBT like shit in the name of religion - the point is that it’s not a radical view, as people today are claiming. It’s a mainstream view amongst Islam in particular.
