On top of this, don’t give mass shooters three hours to kill people. When shit does hit the fan, don’t fuck about trying to negotiate. It’s absurd how they’ll gun down a bank robber, but they sit there for three hours while one dude holds a nightclub hostage.
Perhaps it was the bomb that prevented them, I don’t know, but fuck man, even OUR police are now trained to shoot first against active shooters.
A great article saying we shouldn’t be blaming ISIS for this since the guy was a loner loon with no backing and we should respond accordingly instead of stupidly.
Thats a little more than just being retarded. Thats dangerous talk. Thats the same shit people like omar were thinking before he did what he did, and unfortunately there is nothing to do about it when we see signs like this. Have fun with your friend, who is going to be a future omar one day.
LOOOL. That little piece of shit 6 paragraph article says absolutely nothing. Hes also implying that members of ISIS are all these dedicated from birth, or extremely devout muslims, and thats not the totality of their group. Consider some of the defectors to ISIS from western countries that we’ve seen over the years. Theyre just run of the mill people caught up in idiotic propaganda. Hell one of the girls who defected, her brother said she was barely even religious, and was basically an instagram thot.
Thats the danger of ISIS, and i believe ISIS is made up of many of these omar types. People who may not truly be fundamentalist to the core, but are crazy enough, and sympathize enough with the “movement”, that they praise their allegiance to it.
This idea now that liberal news outlets are spreading is silly. That if a guy doesnt have a dedicated history of being a devout radical muslim, then there is nothing to see here in reference to radical islamic extremist, and discussions about Islamic culture and beliefs is pretty outrageous.
Its like this guy had to be a devout radical muslim, who only used knives and explosives to kill a bunch of people, to get people to actually fucking talk about radical islamic extremist, Islamic culture and beliefs, and not be deflecting to every other topic surrounding this, in an effort to not offend anyone. Its intellectually dishonest.
**For the left right now, its like what will this take for you to say something. Does a group of people have to just blow themselves up, taking out hundreds of people for you to finally not deflect to gun talk, and mental health talk, and finally address what is right in front of your face. **
First of all, im not sure dodgers is a “right winger”. Im not by any means, and i dont hold the opinion of the left right now on this orlando issue at all. Second, its politicized because he claimed allegiance to one of the fucking worst terrorist organizations we’ve seen, that is EXTREMELY hard to stop because it encourages lone wolf behavior, and has random cells all over the world. Third, to be honest mass shootings happen all the time by one of the older definitions. They just happen in the hoods and ghettos of america, involving black and latino people. Those areas that people dont care about. Sometimes “gun nuts” are off in their demand to not want to discuss gun issues in america ever, but sometimes they have a point.
I get that mental health im sure needs to be addressed more in America, but this idea that people like dylan roof, elliot rodgers (who started receiving mental treatment before he did what he did), omar, ect… would just willingly walk themselves into a clinic, and be like fix me please, is ridiculous. Quite frankly they already could do that now if they actually wanted to help themselves, but they didnt. None of these people wanted to help themselves. They wanted to do what they did.
Its such a broad and weird thing to say after tragedies. We need to do something about mental health. Like what. What signs did these people give that they even wanted the help, but just didnt get it. People have issues everyday, from alcoholism, drug abuse, to mental health issues that they dont get help for at all, even though its available for them to. Humans are stubborn. Im not sure the next terrorist, or mass shooter just needed a good few weeks on the couch with someone to talk about their feelings, to prevent them from fucking shit up.
It’s tough for sure, Jimmy. If I see someone talking shit about killing blacks and gays, I can’t say “You should go to a doctor…” Cause they could straight up be ignant. So much is coming out in this case that his co-workers didn’t say anything because it was “racist”. That’s such bullshit, what sort of shit job wouldn’t reprimand someone for wishing death on others? It just boggles my mind.
But yea… How do you get these people checked out. That is something to ponder.
A lot of the lone gunmen that we see shoot places up belong to right wing groups, or sympathize with them.
There’s a reason the right doesn’t like politicizing the issue. Because it will lead us to the conclusion that right wing terrorism is the biggest threat to the USA. More than eco-terrorism, more than Islamic terrorism.
So yeah, let’s politicize it. Right wing extremism is a major issue in this country.
Do you just slam your palms onto your keyboard and post what appears? I don’t think this guy was a fundamentalist. You just don’t decide one day you’re an extremist. Sane people get indoctrinated over time.
To make this simpler for you, think of people outside of General Discussion but who post on SRK. They come in here and almost ALWAYS go into the Lounge. What happens? They get shat on. They cry, they whimper, they walk away for a while to lick their wounds, but they always come back because they’re interested in what we have to say. Eventually, the new guy sheds his noob skin and grows a thicker, more vile one. One that can tolerate the bullshit that the Lounge is made up of. That takes time, but in the end he’s fully converted into an internet Jackass.
That’s how it works when making someone into an extremist.
Yes you do, because thats exactly what many people in ISIS did. Some of them just joined arms after ISIS raided their towns, and nothing was left anyways, so fuck it. I can post up story after story of westerners who defected to ISIS, who were all seemingly “overnight extremist”.
**Also, its been 3 years since the FBI last looked into Omar. You dont think before he was on their radar, he was already radicalized, or in the process? You have to be diving pretty deep into bad territory to get flagged by the FBI, and have them come interview you.
This idea that he just upped and became a terrorist one day is stupid, because we know that at the very LEAST he was a person of interest since 2013. **
“Omar didnt just become a terrorist overnight. Stop blaming islam for crazy people”
Meanwhile Omar was an FBI person of interest 3 years ago. Meaning his lean towards extremism has been years in the making, but whatever, facts and all that.