The lk stomp is an overhead, right? I’d like to figure this character out. Would you guys say he requires difficult execution in order to master? Thanks.
Negative. Only EX Stomp is an overhead, LK, MK, and HK are not.
Why is Oni considered to be a “lesser” character ? Basically, why is it that a lot of players talk about Oni being all around pretty shitty outside of a few key matchups. Im not arguing for, or against them, im just curious as to why this seems to be a general consensus. Ive seen Chris Hu, Combofiend, and a few JP Oni’s that seem very good. Is it just a lack of knowledge combined with here say that makes people talk about Oni as if he is not a good character? Or are there numerous legitimate reasons ?
Thanks yall
While I am by no means an Oni player, I explored this when I did my AE 2012 video. There, I did MP airdash xx U1 after focus by simply spinning the stick really fast like this: “DBUFDBUFDBUF…”, then I activated the airdash with negative edge and quickly pressed all three punches. This allows you to easily cancel into the Ultra instantly, as shown here. For a more controlled input, do this: “D, B, U, F, D, ‘B+release MP’, U, F+PPP”
+6 on hit, which will mean +3 on block. That would be fun chipping - safe jump, back mp xx lk slash, fadc forward ex srk
As far as I know people just think he’s not quite good enough. Like, he can do everything, but most of his tools are awkward in some form or another. Contrast with, say, Akuma who typically can also do everything but the tools are less awkward (though still oftentimes not quite top of the line, but definitely good enough) and coupled with insane mobility. One wins most of his matches, one is disadvantaged in most of his. The common denominator is that because both can do nearly anything, they’re never really out of a match. There’s always something you can do. Though there is definitely a general lack of knowledge about what he can do.
Also, don’t remember who said it, but Oni’s wealth of options makes him a decent “psych ops” character. It’s like Dictator’s wakeup. None of the options are very stellar in their own right, but dear lord there are many of them. So there’s a very real potential to keep the opponent in the dark about what is coming. And then it is time for the combo madness.
So does Oni’s U1 have some kind of grab property since there’s a special animation when you get hit point blank, even though it’s blockable?
No. It deals a physical hit that on connection goes into the animation, and then shoots the fireball Ryu ultra style. So a point blank U1 hits a completely projectile invincible move for example.
Oh, thanks for the clarification.
To compliment the question about Oni being considered a poor character, is he therefore unpopular? I just bought the game Sunday, and went online right away (I guess that isn’t wise) but I never come across another oni in contrast to tons of Ryus, Kens, Akumas, a few Evil Ryus, and even a Gouken. Is he the worst shoto besides Dan?
By matchups? Maybe. He’s not really bad. Just weird. His normals leave something to be desired, his fireballs have lots of recovery, and he can’t FADC his reversal on block. He’s a lot less solid than Ryu but he’s not bad, as far as bad characters go.
Also, Oni is not terribly simple to use as such. Similarily to Akuma, there’s a crapton of tools that you have to use correctly while the tools tempt you to use them at stupid time.s. Then there’s the command overload to worry about. Oni has a ton of moves on top of a lot of command normals, so you need some discipline with your inputs. But largely, it’s just the fact that Oni doesn’t win much and there aren’t many Oni players, he’s not seen on stream and such. Plus people probably think he is worse than he is.
I refuse to believe Oni is bottom tier, especially when people say it’s because his dp can’t fadc on block. Neither can Yun’s and nobody complains about that, and the damage, and priority on Oni’s is ridiculous.
I don’t think he’s as bad either. This game has many tools that allow characters to circumvent some weaknesses. Weak to zoning and footsies? Focus attacks and long jumps help you. Shitty match-ups aren’t as clear-cut as they used to be. I think any character with mix-ups can win a match in this game.
Well this game is really balanced, so no one is really bad…but all the tier lists seem to place him in bottom tier. What baffles me is not that pros don’t use him, fine I get that…he’s not a top tier or close to top tier character, but that casual players don’t either. A lot of casual people love Akuma cause he looks cool, but Oni takes that demonic ‘cool’ to the next degree (although he plays very differently)…yet no one picks him.
sanford’s oni is looking nice
Just a sum total of a whole lot of small disadvantages. Matchup-wise, I’d much rather play Oni than Dhalsim. Better a crapton of 4’s than a good handful of 3’s. : /
He definitely is bottom tier, but it doesn’t really matter since he has very few extremely hard matchups (probably only M. Bison in my opinion, I used to think Akuma but I’m not sure anymore). He’s almost always disadvantaged, but usually not by a huge margin.
Also, people who say that his DP not being FADC-able on block is a huge problem probably don’t understand what his problems actually are. While it would be nice to be able to FADC DP on block, there are at least ~5 other things to fix that I think would be WAY more important and go a longer way towards making him better. No DP FADC on block isn’t really a big deal at all.
Mostly this.
On Oni vs. Akuma, RaidenThaShocka did well at Canada Cup vs. MBR, I think? Too little footage to call a score, but it certainly didn’t look horribly lopsided in either character’s favour.
Howdy folks, this is more of an opinion question but do you guys really think Oni is bad? I’m a Gen main, although I dabble with Oni occasionally, but knowing how Gen has always been perceived as a rather weak character, but is starting to get more respect, mostly cause a good player has stuck with him and won a major now. There’s been plenty of characters who weren’t considered good until people learned how to REALLY play them, so I dunno.
I feel Oni is not top tier by any stretch, but he’s solid and has all the right tools to win. He has a great DP in my opinion. Sure, you can’t FADC it on block but I feel at a higher level you shouldn’t ever be just throwing out dp’s whenever under pressure just cause of the FADC mechanic will cover your ass. Maybe I’m used to playing characters who can’t fadc their dp (Gen, Yun, Guy) but when you get smarter using it, it’s one of the best DPs in the game.
Aside from that, he seems to have good normals, a great kara-throw, decent zoning, pretty good pressure and damage, great anti-airs and ultras you can combo into. I feel people look at him and think “crossup slashes are an unsafe gimmick and so Oni is a gimmick character” and I think that’s just wrong. It’s like people looking at vanilla Gen when all the scrub Gens would just crane walldive all the time. When you look at it in that light then yeah, Gen is an unviable gimmick character. But people had longer to discover his business and realize outside of that bullshit, he’s a very solid character. The shenanigans are just a bit of scrub-busting icing on the cake. I think a great player can easily place high with him.
That’s just my opinion though, what do yall think?