One Piece Thread: Gear 2nd!

[Du_Fugitive]

Also reminded me of WEB Dubois vs Booker T Washington ideologies. I thought it worked alright for a Japanese anime approach to it. I’m interested to see more Boa Hancock (hopefully Empress is Boa and not the dried up hag).

Pretty sure he’s going to pull a Marcus Garvey and send all the fishmen back to Africa from the paradise of Zion after Luffy destroys the city.

BACK TO AFRICA.

Oh, umm. Sanji used knives in the CP9 arc in the train once against noodleman and I’m pretty sure Blackbeard used guns on Whitebeard in the Whitebeard death scene.

[The_Damned]

I’m tempted to go to over to Arlong Park once again just to see the reactions to this chapter.

Oh, umm. Sanji used knives in the CP9 arc in the train once against noodleman and I’m pretty sure Blackbeard used guns on Whitebeard in the Whitebeard death scene.

I’m aware of Sanji’s use of knives against Wanze. Hence why I brought it up. I’ve brought up before when I noticed that some of the people on Arlong Park were complaining that for a “monster trio”, Sanji seems so much weaker than the other two…despite the fact that we’ve known that he holds back all the time from the beginning between not hitting women and not ever using his hands to fight.

Also, I don’t see why you’re talking about Blackbeard using a gun. We were all there when Team Fate THC’d an already (extremely) wounded Whitebeard to death with their weapons. Just because Blackbeard used a gun doesn’t mean that he’s never used a clawed or bladed weapon.

[El_Chupa_Negro]

Can I get a Malcom X , Huey Newton, Fisher Tiger Avater with the words by any means necessary.Popping up

Peep the starfish in the background too.

[Du_Fugitive]

Man, I should just quote the relevant passages next time. I wasn’t even being confrontational about anything. Just posting facts.

Keits said:
“Also, Blackbeard has been seen fighting only with his fists. Not knives or guns or anything.”

And I was just bringing up when Sanji used knives, not that he never had.

[CaptainKishimoto]

This chapter was pretty crazy.

Chapter 620

Spoiler

I was kind of surprised at how Fisher Tiger looked, I thought he’d look scarier or more ‘god-like’ for a lack of a better word (especially from the silhouettes).

[voodazz]

I wonder if Fisher Tiger is insanely God like powerful or if it’s just an example of the legend being bigger than the (fish) man.
Something tells me it is more like the latter.

It’ll be interesting if he really did the scale the walls of the holy city and burn it to the ground or if it’s a little more complicated than that.

I personally want him to live up to every little bit of his legend. :rock:

Young Jenbei’s hair kicks ass.

[El_Chupa_Negro]

Back in those days it seemed like super strong pirates and people when they felt like it fucked up the world at will.If a guy like Shiki can waltz up to Marineford and literally destroy half that bitch just because he wanted the opportunity to kill roger himself.Fisher Tiger climbing the red line and destroying mariejoas is definitely plausible.

[The_Damned]

Yeah, I can definitely see the climbing the Red Line and destroying the “holy” city to at least partially real given the nature of One Piece and the person who is relaying this flashback.

Man, I should just quote the relevant passages next time. I wasn’t even being confrontational about anything. Just posting facts.

Yeah, my apologies for being even more irritable than usual (as if such as thing was possible).

But, yes, it would help to quote whoever you’re talking to in most instances.

Young Jenbei’s hair kicks ass.

This reminds me: Have we ever learned how long fishmen live?

I was somewhat surprised to see Jinbe with already graying hair 15 years back. I mean, I’d always assumed he was beyond middle age, but he might actually be “old” by human standards the more I think about it…

[El_Chupa_Negro]

Jinbei seemed to be maturing as his hair was slowely losing its prior color.Jimbei seems to have been atleast 19 back amongst Fisher Tiger aka Fisher X aka Muhammad Guppy aka Martin Liu Kang Jr aka Minister Tiger crew. He seems to be in his late 30s or 41 now.

[The_Damned]

I’d say he’s older than 19 in that flashback. I started getting some gray hair back at 19/20, but it was not nearly as much as that. I’d have to say that he’s at least 25 and I’d honestly be surprised if he was younger than that.

[white_shadow]

Meh. I always got the impression that he used hand-claws or something like. It seems like it would be pretty damn difficult even for him to hide having a Devil Fruit for two decades given that he’d likely have to interact with ocean water at some point or another. Also, didn’t he give those scars to Shanks before he betrayed Whitebeard? It could be weapons that he’s never bothered using on-screen so far since he’s had bitching Yami Yami powers; kind of like how Sanji never uses a knife even though he’s damn good with them.

Now that I think about it, BB has rings on his fingers and a downward punching motion could create a scar technically speaking

waits for white shadow to bring up his desire to see Kaidou be a Ryu Ryu no Zoan again

FO SHO!

You are so impatient. This flashback probably won’t last more than four chapters, but you’re going to have to “suffer” through like at least two weeks of it.

VS is the Michael Bay of this thread. I WANT EXXXPLOSHUNZ!!!

I think it’s more that Luffy, being Luffy, can only vaguely recall that he’s heard the name before, but can’t remember where he’s heard it from. You have to remember that he was told the story by Boa and her sisters 2+ years ago and, while he was paying attention for once, he usually did tend to ignore or be oblivious Boa and is used to disregarding things she says. He might remember eventually, though.

Good point. He probably doesn’t completely recall Boa’s tale.

I wonder if Fisher Tiger is insanely God like powerful or if it’s just an example of the legend being bigger than the (fish) man.
Something tells me it is more like the latter.

It’ll be interesting if he really did the scale the walls of the holy city and burn it to the ground or if it’s a little more complicated than that.

I personally want him to live up to every little bit of his legend. :rock:

Young Jenbei’s hair kicks ass.

I’m pretty sure he really did all that, which is why Boa is free and basically recalled the events with him being the lone hero.

As for his strength- seeing how Fishman Tom could throw a galleon effortlessly and he’s not a fighter, Fisher Tiger must have immense strength exceeding even Jinbei.

I especially like how he isn’t being ham-fisted about like a lot of other comics, Japanese or American, tend to be when it comes to social issues, i.e. the entirety of Marvel’s Civil War, the “North Korea” parallel in Hunter x Hunter, the environmental angle in Parasyte, etc.

Fishmen have always been around and, even when we learned about the whole racist angle went both ways (and, indeed, started with humans), we didn’t suddenly get “oh, everything Arlong did is so totally understandable and forgiven” and have Arlong (OR Hachi) suddenly be made into tragic figures. Hell, Hachi hasn’t even technically redeemed himself even though he and the Straw Hats on a hell of a lot more friendly terms.

It shows how much care he takes to the story, it takes a lot of forethought and a ethical integrity to create such complexities without dumbing them down into black and white simplicities.

This issue struck a nerve for me Oda is tackling the debate between who was right between Mlk and Malcom X and is teaching japanese children about it and is doing it in the best way possible. DUDE IS A GOD DAMN GENUS WRITER.

Both Sides have good points but Otohime’s point of view would only get them tolerance and pity not respect and treated equally.Hence why it was considered acceptable to enslave them.Fisher Tiger’s point of view was alot more respectable he was gonna earn respect and equality by taking the fight to them.It must have been hard to say your considered equally when folks openly are enslaving your flesh n blood and have been terrorizing your country.Then your queen begs for you to think your viewed as equal and clearly your not.Your recognized as equal but your still not equal to a human.Your still called a monster ,demon,beast and bunch of other foul things.I can totally understand why Fisher Tiger took that path he was by any means necessary and he shook the government and put fear in his heart dude is easily one of my favorites solely based off his exploits and is an amazingly written character so is Jinbei.

Another thing its crazy how even with recognition the World Gov did little to actually defend them from pirate attacks and slavers.So they truly weren’t considered a nation but on paper.

I can’t believe Oda just addressed one of the biggest debates in the black community in a fucking manga.

The most amazing thing I’ve gathered from Oda Kami’s storytelling is his erudite lucidity concerning socio-economic and race relations. Think about this: He’s from one of the most ethnocentric countries, where cultural solidarity and integrity is so important that the Japanese government deny their horrible atrocities during WWII. From my peers who’ve been there (As well as Azrael’s posts/blog) most Japanese have a warped perception of America and the outside world on a whole.

So when you see him portray events like the Ohara incident, Fishman Island, and the tactics of the Marines/WG during the war, we get a window into his views on his homeland and their history that few Japanese people ever realize- esp. the youngsters.

…Which probably explains the Fumi-E example in this chapter as well.

NO JUSTICE- NO ONE PIECE!:p:

[The_Damned]

I know that VS is impatient, but comparing him to Michael Bay is a bit much. I don’t hate him…yet.

Now that I think about it, BB has rings on his fingers and a downward punching motion could create a scar technically speaking

Ah, I could see that. (Pun not intended.)

Given how burly and large Blackbeard, especially when compared to Shanks, I could see the rings doing the damage. It would make some sense too given that the cuts would have to be kind of shallow for Shanks to keep that eye as opposed, to say, what seems to have happened to Zoro.

[Wellman]

Man good chapter. This flashback will no doubt end on some epic stuff and we will probably get to see just how Fisher Tiger was refused aide by some humans.

Sanji seems to be back, just in time for the ass kicking that Hodi’s crew are signing up for.

[ViciousSLASH]

I dunno, portraying black people as fish and having like the only black person in the manga fight with boogies doesn’t exactly a master of race relations make.

[d3v]

Wow, Nami is taking this a lot better than I thought she would be taking it. I hadn’t even noticed the Shabody and Arlong Park architecture parallels.

It’s an interesting use of the character. First off, it shows how much she’s matured, secondly (and more importantly) she serves as a way for Oda-sensei to voice out the irony and absurdity of the situation, in how the hate and fanatic racism of the Fishmen is only a reaction to the hate and fanatic racism of the humans they’ve encountered and how this all feeds into a vicious cycle.

What is interesting though (and should be considered in further discussion) is that the main source of all this hate happens to be none other than the Tenryuubito, with utter disdain for anyone “below” them.

That if MLK was a white woman, he would have died of a broken heart rather than being assassinated because white women are weaker.

J/k.

Far more seriously, who is to say Otohime is “white”? It’s likely, yeah, but I’ll laugh like hell if she was a big “black” woman. Besides, it’s not like some white women weren’t part of the abolitionist or civil rights movement.

Indeed. Whether that would have been for the better, though…

The issue isn’t really about the characters skin colour and design anyway. At the end of the day, they’re still Fishmen and Merfolk who are equally discriminated against.

[white_shadow]

I dunno, portraying black people as fish and having like the only black person in the manga fight with boogies doesn’t exactly a master of race relations make.

Someone’s projecting…:razz:

Oda made Afro Power one of the strongest powers in One Piece! UNBRIDLED!!!:p:

[El_Chupa_Negro]

I dunno, portraying black people as fish and having like the only black person in the manga fight with boogies doesn’t exactly a master of race relations make.

Dude we all know brooke is the old black man at the barbershop who constantly reads the playboys.

[maxx]

its already been said usopp is black…if races like that existed. which bothers me in a whole slew of ways…though usopps my boy…its some deep seeded asian hate towards the brother.

[El_Chupa_Negro]

its already been said usopp is black…if races like that existed. which bothers me in a whole slew of ways…though usopps my boy…its some deep seeded asian hate towards the brother.

Sengoku is the baddest blackman alive,we got the homie Brandnew and Garp (hispanic)

[maxx]

Sengoku is the baddest blackman alive,we got the homie Brandnew and Garp (hispanic)

wait wut? i aignt heard of oda confirmin all that. but the fact usopp is the liar and loudmouth…yeah salty negro face emoticon.