"One For J.J.!" Ultimate Spidey Strategy Thread

[Raoh]

1. that is what I’m talking about when you get off the ground a bit too slow, the hand hits you and you flip backward… Is the cause lost at that point? Or will your web swing still be effective?

2. crouching l, m, h, light web swing, air m, air m, air heavy (land) , standing m,air m, air medium, air heavy…

1. If you get hit by the zip, you won’t be able to do anything much since the zip is +9 on it if you get hit in the air. You would be getting hit much by this anyway since you now know that you can react to his zip jumps with j:m: instead.

2. You should use this combo instead.

s/c:l: c:m: c:h: xx :l: web swing j:m: j:m: j:s: j:l: j:m: j:m: j:h: j:s: s:m: s:h: xx spider sting/bite - Page1 on Combo Thread

Note: you may have to adjust inputs while in the air to connect the s:m: s:h: before the sting.

[X_Fatal_Grace_X]

Thanks Raoh, will give it a try

[Raoh]

If you’re trifling with a Spencer that is zip-lining while calling a horizontal assist and you’re pinned to the ground, it is still possible with a few of the plausible assists to simply just anti-air Spencer with c. and not follow it up. Somehow, the foot will not get tagged by these select assists.

While c:m: generally works good against Spencer, I strongly suggest against doing this and just keep safe blocking than risk eating a ToD. Crouching against a forward jump zipline may cause Spencer to get an overhead crossup.

Other than that, all tips are on point.

[xero15]

Overhead crossups get beat also. I tested that one myself a while ago. Follow up with s:h: and you’re free to ToD Spencer.

[Raoh]

Overhead crossups get beat also. I tested that one myself a while ago. Follow up with s:h: and you’re free to ToD Spencer.

Yeah, but with a horizontal assist backing Spencer, it becomes risky.

[xero15]

Eh I tend to just dash forward for the jump air to air stuff.

[Airborne]

Keep in mind that I specifically said select assists. That would be like Drones, Bolts, possibly Greyhound, etc.

[DeskLampTV]

Wait, so j.:h: is the only air normal that nullifies the zipline? j. doesn’t do it too?

[Raoh]

What? Where’d you get that? Any jump normal nullifies the zipline. Jumping :h: is commonly used because it acts as an option select grab, but the j:m: is better used for reacting to Spencer’s jump zipline + horizontal assist because the j:h: isn’t fast enough and its small hit box makes it difficult. and doesn’t have the . You should cancel the jump normal with web swing > combo to punish Spencer’s momentum from the zip move.

[DeskLampTV]

What? Where’d you get that? Any jump normal nullifies the zipline. Jumping :h: is commonly used because it acts as an option select grab, but the j:m: is better used for reacting to Spencer’s jump zipline + horizontal assist because the j:h: isn’t fast enough and its small hit box makes it difficult. and doesn’t have the . You should cancel the jump normal with web swing > combo to punish Spencer’s momentum from the zip move.

Honestly, I don’t even know where I got that man. Anyway, can you link j:m: into j:m: if he is close enough after you already nullify the zip?

[DeskLampTV]

What? Where’d you get that? Any jump normal nullifies the zipline. Jumping :h: is commonly used because it acts as an option select grab, but the j:m: is better used for reacting to Spencer’s jump zipline + horizontal assist because the j:h: isn’t fast enough and its small hit box makes it difficult. and doesn’t have the . You should cancel the jump normal with web swing > combo to punish Spencer’s momentum from the zip move.

Honestly, I don’t even know where I got that man. Anyway, can you link j:m: into j:h: if he is close enough after you already nullify the zip?
EDIT- anus, I double posted

[Raoh]

Honestly, I don’t even know where I got that man. Anyway, can you link j:m: into j:h: if he is close enough after you already nullify the zip?

Nope. That’s the weird part. I think I posted that already.

Anyways, what happens is that when you nullify the zipline the jumping normal you did will act like a whiffed move which is why you could only cancel it to a special move [:l: swing] to punish Spencer. If you use web ball, prepare to receive a ToD.

[Danke]

Hahahahahah! Tested it out and jump normals do nullify the zipline and Spencer still does have momentum to eat a special. You have to use :l: web swing because it’s Spidey’s fastest air special, if not you’d eat an air Spencer normal and get ToD’ed. The normals you use to nullify the ziplines cannot be chained to other normals or j:s: so you have to use :l: web swing in Spidey’s case.

I tried to use instant j:h: to react to Spencer’s jump zip but the Spencer zip line comes out very fast and will hit Spidey out of his jump. What you can do though is to use instant j:m: cancelled to web swing. However if Spencer does an instant jump zip, you’d need good a reaction time to stuff it with j:m: but the problem is Spidey will be too high for the web swing cancel to connect. You will have momentum on your side though so you can web zip from the jump and just do your thing.

With this knowledge, I’m pretty sure Spidey vs Spencer matchup definitely turns to Spider-Man’s favor and other char matchups vs Spencer may get good bumps too. You can just do j:m: j:m: j:h: or j:s: after the air :l: web swing to standing ground series xx sting as a punish.

Thank me later when you’ve used it in a match.

What’s your combo and when in the combo is the opponent dropping?

I’m gonna say straight up as a spencer player you are going to get raped probably around every time trying this. For a lot of reasons.

[xero15]

I’m gonna say straight up as a spencer player you are going to get raped probably around every time trying this. For a lot of reasons.

I’m not seeing why it wouldn’t work considering Spencer is highly vulnerable when zipping and :l: web swing already beats out his normals. I can understand canceling into :h: web swing which has more startup but provided nullifying the grapple is consistent I’m not sure what’s to fear after that. Spidey can easily convert off an aerial :l: web swing as well for high damage.

[Raoh]

I’m gonna say straight up as a spencer player you are going to get raped probably around every time trying this. For a lot of reasons.

Not really. Spidey’s j:m: is fast enough as reaction to nullify both full and about-mid-screen horizontal ziplines. Spencer won’t be able to attack before he finishes the zip and will eat a counter-hit swing.

You have to be smart about doing it though as it’s a bit risky to do it from the corner if you time it wrong. Also, if you do j:m: as wrong reaction to a diagonal zipline, you can web zip to keep you safe.

[Trancend]

i was just thinking about spencers h-zip and how i need to better deal with it. i will try spidies j.M for sure, thanks. Anyone find x23 hard to deal with using spider man ?

[Raoh]

i was just thinking about spencers h-zip and how i need to better deal with it. i will try spidies j.M for sure, thanks. Anyone find x23 hard to deal with using spider man ?

Read the posts above about j:m: or j:h: so you have an idea. If you do it wrong, it’s not going to be good. The idea is to kick the zipline and let Spencer eat a web swing; try it on training mode to get the feel.

Just play keep away when going against X-23. Do wall clings, zip away and call assists from sj height while picking your spots for some rush down. She doesn’t have an easy sj conversion like Wolv so try to keep it in the air.

[Trancend]

Thanks. Spidey is my alt main to zero and im still developing my skills with him. Ive taken out a “4th lord” already with him on point. I definitly sense a lot of potential with him.

I dont use doom, but may cross the dark side (at which point id put sentinal on my zero team), but i think avoiding the super assists forces better creativity, and ive come up with some decent findings.

Well, thanks again for your advice. Have u been playing since mvc2 or earlier, as your avatar may imply ?

[Raoh]

Yeah, played all the Marvel and VS games before. Sentinel works good with Spidey too.

[DeskLampTV]

Hey guys, I haven’t been able to play the game for a little so I would try this out myself but since I can’t, I’ll just ask you. Can you nullify Spencer’s horizontal zip line with your own vertical web line? Also, an assist like Iron Fists wall bounce assist would nullify his zip too, right? It would probably make more sense to actually try to hit Spencer with the Rising Fang assist though.