On the verge of giving up

Classic Fighting Games Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3
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Where in Scotland do you live? There are a few small scenes in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Falkirk, Dundee and Aberdeen. Glasgow has the biggest scene by far but there are dedicated players elsewhere. You don’t need to go to tournaments (though they are great fun and I’ve always had a good time at them), there are plenty of offline casual sessions going. First thing to do is join the VS facebook group and organise time to play offline casuals, this is the group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/328529733845792/

Please don’t complain about the game too much until you play people offline.

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TL;DR- I typed all of this for you…

Marvel is Hard, I know how you feel. I was there too at one point. Marvel 3 was my first fighting game and the drive to improve as well as the hype and fun the game brings is what keeps me playing. If you don’t feel these things while playing even while losing, then I don’t think the game is for you. This game requires you have certain “Drive” or 'Will" to keep playing, I remember when I first started I played guys better than me over and over again regardless of how many times I lost, 0-10, 0-20, 0-50, doesn’t matter I’d keep playing until I won and even when I did win I’d set a new goal for myself to keep playing until I won one more! Borderline insanity if you ask me.

This may sound crazy It took me a about roughly a year to start winning consistently and become decent at Marvel, throughout that time I Picked up and dropped characters and scrapped teams almost every other week until I found the right team for me.

This is very important, picking your team is a process sure you can just say “I’m just going to pick my favorite characters from my favorite series and make it work” but at the same time just because they are your favorite characters doesn’t necessarily mean they are RIGHT FOR YOU! You will feel a certain kind of connection with the characters that are right for you almost as if you were meant to play that character, it feels natural. For a long time I played Zero because he was my favorite character, I learned all the new tech and understandings of the character but I never REALLY felt comfortable with him and because of that I lost a lot of games. Also never refuse to try a character just because they’re top tier. That’s the kind of thinking that’ll hold you back. If you try out Morrigan, Doom, Vergil and you find out that this team really jives with you then learn it!! Don’t set limitations on yourself just because! A lot of people also try to avoid teams that they’ve seen others, especially top players use. Don’t be like that, if you think Justin Wong’s team might work for you then go for it and give it a try!

Besides Team and Character selection. Training Mode and Offline against either humans or CPU’s is really key to making yourself better, when starting out most of your time should be spent here. If you don’t have a friend to play with, Playing against the CPU will help you learn the game. Learning how to move, Block, hit confirm, and open up your opponent are all things that the CPU can help you accomplish as well as improve your execution in the heat of a match. Training mode is for combos and testing out your mixups.

After your training mode time is done take yourself online or offline and play against other people. If you are playing online, keep your rank on beginner and stick to player matches. Stay out of ranked and Lobbies. Player matches provide for potentially long sets and because of this will help you learn how to fight certain characters and learn matchups through prolonged play as well as pick up on certain habits a lot of players have and counter them(Spencers Air Forward Zip, Grab punish. Vergils Stinger->Rapid Slash). Player matches are also a lax environment to learn since losing here doesn’t really mean anything, so stop worrying.

Also take a break from playing once in a while and Study up, and watch gameplay! Stream monstering is a great way to have and relax and learn how the pro’s do it. Youtube has a lot of marvel tech, tips & tricks, and tutorials from general gameplay mechanics to character specifics so search away. and of course SRK is the best place to go for any questions you have or keeping up with the new stuff that gets discovered.

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Just keep playing, eventually you will get it. You have to think, you have been playing this game for a month, where as some of your opponents have been playing for two and pushing three years.
I would recommend committing to three characters, just three. Learn whatever you can with them, and just grind it out. We all lose, but the ones that learn from their losses, benefit the most.

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Like I said sorry if this all sounds bad because I know it’s early days for myself.

I live about 2 hours from Glasgow but I am still in college and have two part time jobs so I’m often very busy over weekends anyway. I might go next time there’s a holiday break like near Christmas time but I can’t go regularly.

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Well, there’s a small but healthy scene of dedicated players out there for whenever you decide to play the game as it’s meant to be played. If you’re aware of the offline scene though, that makes this thread somewhat unnecessary. Sessions can happen whenever, not just on weekends.

Alternatively, if the only way you can play is online, message the group and get a lobby going with other local players. The connection will be better and there’ll be more feedback because you’ll be on closer terms with the guys you’re playing with.

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Funny how honestly the best advice in the thread might have been this, and he was flagged for it. Nothing great comes from learning this game, its a curse.

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lol this game is really fun, some of the best movement available due to plink dash, and the top tier matchups are actually pretty interesting to me. can move really fast, etc.

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Think about it, you’ve only played this game for a little over a month and probably in training mode for a maximum of 15 hours. Whereas the people you fight have literally invested hundreds and hundreds of hours. This game was probably the hardest to get used to out of all fighting games I’ve played. It takes fundamentals and turns it on its head. Until you have PERFECT control of your characters, you will never win consistently.

Work on movement, wave dashing, plink dashing, learn how to approach with and without assists. Learn how to convert combos from jumps, super jumps, off of stray hits etc.

This game is disheartening and Tiers play a HUGE factor, but once you get enough experience and learn how characters work or need to work, you’ll be able to distinguish scrubs from pros.

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It was said once before, but being a character loyalist CAN work, but only if you’re willing to focus on one character at a time. My brother was the exact same way: he would sacrifice all known reason and pick his three favorite characters, and if he couldn’t compete with well constructed teams he would blame the game for its lack of balance. It doesn’t really work that way. This game is actually unique in that it gives you the opportunity to make any singular character you choose several times more deadly through proper team construction. Some people, however, like to be selfish and think that if they can’t get all 3 of their favorite characters to work well on the SAME team then they have the right to complain. Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to ask that all of the thousands/millions of character combinations in this game be equally balanced and competitive? DON’T BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.

You can very well make Thor, Frank, and Shuma all highly competitive with the right partners, but not on the same team. Frank needs more than just a combo that levels him up. Thor needs a better suited neutral assist for him than Mystic Ray. Shuma actually needs assist support to make full use of his offensive capability (Angelic gets away with running anchor Shuma only because he’s a really good player and his teams are so front loaded. Don’t look to him as an example of good Shuma team construction).
While top-tier characters are usually the most likely candidates for good team support, not every character’s best partner lies within the top 10.

Use training mode less for practicing combos and more for testing synergy and strategies between different team compositions for your characters. Know what basic things each of your characters needs and look for partners who can give your characters these things well. Who knows, you might find out something game changing about the synergy between two characters that no one thought to put together. But you always have to compare what you find to what the top-tier teams are capable of since those teams are what you will eventually run into both on and offline. They will serve as a test for whether your team is well constructed enough to hang, or if your fundamentals are good enough to overcome less-than-optimal team construction.

TL;DR: If you don’t read anything else in my post, just know that team construction is the most essential part to having good success in this game both now and in the future. Your characters aren’t necessarily bad, but the team as a whole is, and that’s what’s preventing you from getting your combos and setups to work in matches.

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Well for a while I have been thinking of a mix of teams who could work well in unison that include at least one of the characters I like.

ShumAkuma for middle and anchor has recently caught my interest originally as partners for Phoenix Wright concept team (and surprisingly that worked) Tatsu assist works really well for starting Shuma’s mystic stare loops and can lock opponents down for his crouching heavy jump cancel pressure since Shuma can have difficulty staying close after starting pressure, but I’m interested to try the pairing with a more solid point character. Haggar, Dormammu or Firebrand for this team possibly on point.

As someone mentioned earlier Skrull could be a great point character for Frank and after messing around with it I couldn’t agree more now. I don’t know how well Dante can do for this team if Skrull is pretty much going to be the one giving Frank level 5 since Frank is going to be middle so might use someone else for some assist coverage for Frank rather than levels. Time will tell :V

Thanks for the thoughts by the way guys. I don’t want to quite give up yet, I still hope to find some interesting team combinations that are not seen as much but I realise they still need to actually do something.

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They can’t handle the truth.

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I’ll just chime in to say I think you are thinking about the tiers the wrong way.

You are new to the game. Don’t focus on winning with team combinations that are “not seen as much”, focus on winning and understanding the game, period. When you see players winning with unique team compositions–those players have been playing since the game’s launch and have a more solid understanding of Marvel and of fighting games in general, and know how to make those teams work.

But there’s no brownie points for picking random select and trying to eke out a win on people with a crap team. Work on understanding established strategies in the game. You don’t have to pick zero/vergil, but I bet there’s a lot of strong characters that you’ll like if you actually sit down and try em. And you can actually win and learn the game with them.

EX: way better to learn to utilize 8-way airdashes as Magneto or Dr.Doom rather than Thor. Why? Because those characters take advantage of it better and they’re faster. You actually get to move once you learn how to move. Or if you don’t want to airdash, pick a solid char without one, but make sure he has good normal moves. Ex: Wesker, Wolverine, Haggar, Chris.

Then when you understand how all of the characters work and why established strategies/teams work, you can make your own weird little variations on things…only then.

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Never Give up. Trust you instincts.

James McCloud

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Oh I understand that, I am still learning the game as a whole but my plan was to start off with a team to get comfortable with the game so that later on as I improve in learning as a whole I’m already accustomed to said team the same way with any new fighting game I’d pick a character I want to play and stick with them until I learn the basics and such and then decide if I wish to keep playing them. Right now I’ve gotten more used to the games mechanics and such so now it’s all down to just getting better with the characters I play and learning what options they have vs the rest of the cast. Thor is being left on the sidelines for another team someday, right now Frank and Sent who I played before are still sticking together but this time I took someones suggestion of Super-Skrull as the point/level gainer for Frank and so far I’m really liking it, I’m still not as used to Skrull as I am Frank or Sent but I can see this team working well.

Thanks

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Most people have shitty instincts and hang on to things way longer than they should.

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The main issue you’ll run into if you keep playing the game is that online marvel is far different than local marvel. In a game where movement is the best defense and blocking is already hard, throwing lag on the mix really derps up a lot of stuff.

About character choice. Pick a character you really like and then test out different characters. Favorite characters should always take a backseat to ones that actually feel natural. For example, I used to run Haggar/Iron Man/ Doom since they were my favorite capcom and marvel characters but I filtered Tony out for Chris over time just because IM didn’t ever feel right and Chris just so happened to make sense to me. Being a character specialist is a cool thing in this game, you just have to understand that your lower tiered characters abilities are gonna get torn apart by superior characters.

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Yeah I understand what you mean, EU connections to US players can be really bad at times (especially playing Shuma where it’s not uncommon to lose your charge input online)

I am experimenting more with various teams using at least one or two characters I like + support and have a few times in mind I like just need to learn how to combat certain MU’s.

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So all this drama so you can make the obvious choice.

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I did say in the beginning this was a rant thread like millions of others and I never really made it into a drama, just venting some frustration with the game. Sorry if you took it that way.

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I am trolling.