Generic rant thread you’ve heard a million times and I’m sorry to be one of those guys but this entire game is just so disheartening.
I like theorising how this game could be played out with whatever characters I play but things never ever go the way I think it could,
My current Team is Thor, Frank and Shuma but up until now I have tried many a character and well…I just don’t see the point.
I’ve gone so many times in player lobbies 0-20 against the same team or sometimes whenever I feel like “Oh I may be able to try this out” my opponent changes teams making my initial plan not even worth trying since it’s not worth testing on an entirely different team. I have tried asking player advice and many other things and literally the most common advice I’ve been given is “Pick Vergil” or “Go to training mode”. I will never pick Vergil or any other insanely high tier characters no matter how bad I am, I play the characters I like and try to do what I can to make them work but I’m just too bad at this game to do it. Training mode is near meaningless when your experience is meant to come from characters and players you fight, not just knowing combos alone.
I have combos down fine but everything else about this game is just frustrating. One button press and I die and if I don’t press anything I’m going to die anyway. I honestly do not get how people can play this game without having a wall of projectiles and assists protecting them most of the time until they land a combo. Yes I get marvel is random, yes I get it’s fast, but I don’t get how you can learn from randomness.
I’ll admit I have only played UMVC3 over a month so yes you can just call me new and bad and I understand that but without any scene where I live (Scotland) I only have online to go by and my experiences there are always terrible. Maybe I’m just such a terrible player and blind to whatever it is that people can “get” about this game to play well. I don’t care so much about winning I care about just getting better and UMVC3 has been the biggest brick wall for me out of all the fighting games I’ve played.
Sorry to make this sortof thread as you’ve probably read hundreds but honestly I feel like there is little point to trying to get better at this game, everyone just suggests to play high tiers and play better but not share any insight as to HOW to get better. Even watching High level play I simply can’t grasp it. If someone could somehow help me in a way that I can understand I’d greatly appreciate it but otherwise I may end up just getting rid of this game which I don’t want to do but feel like I just can’t do anything about it
You get better by not giving up and trying to learn from your mistakes.
A month is a very little amount of time to expect results. I think you’re being too hard on yourself. We were all bad on our first months too.
You’re probably used to picking up games like COD and feeling like a god in a couple of hours, but fighting games don’t really work like that.
You need to enjoy competition more. If you enjoy competition then it should make you glad that there’s so many people ahead of you representing a challenge.
There this thing called “Delayed Gratification” which means that satisfaction comes through effort and time invested. If you want immediate satisfaction then I can only tell you that maybe competitive games aren’t for you. Among those people who beat you I can assure that some of them were just like you but didnt give up.
I think it’s more I’m diving into a fighting game late, normally when I start a fighting game it’s when something comes out so I am learning and gaining experience at the same time as everyone else picking up stuff as I go. But jumping head first into Marvel after it being out over 2 years? Yeah I’m way in over my head and can’t pick up the meta as fast since I never learned it as it was still growing.
I WANT to learn and it’s like someones just dropped an encyclopedia on this games metagame right infront of me I need to pick up really fast unlike my usual “reading what’s new as it’s discovered over time”.
I’m sorry if I came across as too down on myself but it just feels very daunting is all.
this is a problem that will make you quit. and you should probably quit unless you find someone who is actually good to help you. having someone to guide you when you start playing is going to be crucial if you don’t have lots (lots and lots) of experience of playing other fighting games.
all i can say is for now, if you have no scene locally, there is not much you can do but record your matches and ask for pointers online.
you may think you need a partner to train with, but I’ve played this game solely online and in training mode vs bots, along with watching hours upon hours of marvel matches and streams, to get good at this game. It may be better to have someone to train with, but since no one I know wants to be as dedicated to learning the game as I do, I had to push through by myself.
You just need constant experience against different match ups and seeing the patterns that players have with certain characters, then over time, you will be able to see what you can do to overcome your opponent. 1 month is hardly enough of an investment, even if you play every day for a few hours.
Watch videos, read up on tips and just get playing experience and you will get better. It can be frustrating at times, which is fine, but just don’t give up on it yet.
If it gets real hard, just take a break. A few days or even a week, come back, then you’ll be refreshed and ready to try again.
I have been watching streams a lot lately and while I can somewhat see some strategies and patterns I just can’t see it that great in an actual match because so much stuff is going on. I hope I can just grow accustomed to it and someday turn my 0-20 streaks into 1-20 at least
It’s not like I’m not into fighters I love them, I’ve played fast paced fighters like Blazblue and Arcana Heart along with the more technical footsie based fighters like Street Fighter however Marvel is like the fast fighters but there’s just so much more stuff going on at once with assists flying around everywhere and attacks with huge priority taking up huge chunks of the screen. This is the main thing I’m not used to, maybe if I played UMVC3 since launch I’d have progressed better but right now as I said it’s like I’m trying to learn an encyclopedia of meta all at once rather than over time as it was discovered.
You can play characters you like all you want, but you have to experiment with the whole cast, find a team with synergy and capitalize off that synergy. In team games like Marvel in contrast to single character fighting games like street fighter, matchups can be affected by combinations and assists.
This team of Thor/Frank/Shuma does not have a lot of synergy. Thor does not provide with dhcs that provide him with a good camera shot and Shuma does not provide a good thc or assist for Frank. Either replace Frank in the team or create a Frank-centric team. Shuma is a good assist for Thor but a horrible anchor/last resort character.
Also, play people on your level at first, hopefully using online, same player matches and figure out what players are attempting to accomplish on stream.
Characters that give a good understanding on marvel are Dante for his super jump cancels, bold cancels, extended combos, Doom, for his support capabilities and TAC infinites, Magneto for his one on one game and tight combos, Vergil for the importance of Xfactor on the last character, Doom/Ammy THC, etc…
Well Thor is capable of getting Frank to level 4 after DHC from mighty tornado. I do understand what you mean though about the placement of Shuma. Rocket Raccoon has been interesting me for a while as an achor for Thor/Shuma since Log is a pretty good assist to use during flight mode and charging up Mighty Strikes in the air (somewhat like what Ageojoe does with Viewtiful Joe using red hot kick + log to punish player trying to stuff the kick though I will need to work on it)
My old Frank team was Tron/Frank/Sentinel but I had serious problems with zoners as Tron, she can get Frank to level 4 and 5 fairly easily but landing a hit is rather annoying. Sentinel drones gave some coverage but not enough and they did help Frank a lot with roll mixups from level 2 onwards. Amaterasu is a character I’d next try for a Frank team if anything due to the DHC’s and Crossover Combinations being good for gaining levels but this means that Sentienls assist for mixups as Frank is somewhat redundant so I may replace him to try something like Ammy/Frank/Rocket Raccoon. I dunno, I will need to fight more players to find out. As for recording I do have a capture device but for a fighting game it’s not that great as I don’t have a split connection for output meaning I’d have to watch my match on my computer as it’s recorded which has a delay compared to if I watched it on my TV.
This is not the right game for character love. If you were already very skilled at the genre you could be affording it, but by handicapping yourself in the select screen you also handicap your improvement. At least in this game you can pick a character you love and let better/easier characters back it up in the same team. Also everyone tends to lose a lot at first, even 20-0. It’s the people who push hard despite this that end up improving.
I have always done this with fighting games really, even if my favourite character has horrible MU’s with the high tiers or just struggles in general. I played Dan, Zangief and Rufus in SF4 because I’ve always liked them and despite the frustration sometimes with Dan or Gief in certain matchups I always stuck with them and practiced Rufus so I had someone as a backup for MU’s like Akuma or Seth.
I always knew from watching streams and such that MVC2 and MVC3 are very very high tier dominant but you CAN sometimes get some unusual or rare teams that work well. I will probably still have characters I will play like Thor, Shuma, Frank, Phoenix Wright, Rocket Raccoon, Sentinel and Amaterasu because I like them but I will look more into picking up characters who can best support one or two of these characters on a team (just don’t expect me to try pick up vergil or zero, never liked them even before people found them to be pretty ridiculous at competitive levels) :L
How hard is it for Thor to get a hit? The answer is very. Thor has a great assist with Mighty Smash but as a point character this team fails to capitalize off that synergy. IMO Frank’s best assists are Dante - Jam Session and Doom - Plasma Beam. OTG Assists such as Wesker - Samurai Edge and Deadpool - Katanarama work as well. However, Dante is the best assist character for Frank as he allows him to reach the top of the screen immediately, scores multiple hits to help level up Frank quickly, his THC hits enough time for Frank to get two or three camera shots in. Frank qcb super xx Dante Devil Trigger x Hard Tag into Frank and Dante Jam assist even further the possibility of getting those levels. At your current team composition, Shuma does not allow that. Rocket Raccoon also allows Frank to do the aforementioned things as with Dante, but to a lesser extent.
Amaterasu provides a great THC for Frank but is not that great of an assist, slowdown is a good DHC from Frank’s qcb super. IMO the best point character for Frank is Skrull, as Skrull can DHC from Inferno to Frank’s qcb super and can be called to land those extra hits with tenderizer.
So the questions before you are: Do you want to make a Frank team? Thor point team or Shuma assist team?
Well first, what are your goals with playing the game? Do you want to win tournaments? Become competent? Have fun?
Do you want to win?-Pick Good Characters
Do you not care about winning? - Pick your favorite characters
It’s a little more complex than that since your favorite characters could be Morridoom and everyone loves a character specialist in a game as chaotic as Mahvel.You can make your team work with some adjustments but if you want to run with your team then understand that it will be harder than picking a team with better options overall. Play to Learn, simply absorb all the information, I would start off with writing down three things you say in your match that went wrong and work on those things. Enjoy losing, it happens to everyone and Fighting Games are awesome because when you lose, it’s all on you.
Don’t give up though if you care. If you think about Marvel everyday, play it everyday and have incorporated it into your list of passions, then don’t give up. No one remembers the person who quit and to be honest, the idea of quitting something you enjoy over some moments of frustration isn’t a worthy bargain in my opinion.
Well if I was going for Frank team I wouldn’t mind Skrull and maybe Sentinel as an anchor. I dunno, if Skrull is going to be the main leveler for Frank I’d like a character like Shuma, Sentinel, Dante or Taskmaster as support using an assist. I mainly had Shuma pinned because mystic ray can offer good coverage for fighting Zero’s who fly around freely and allow an easy pick up for frank using tools of survival if they do so. One thing that bothers me though is well…Doom…Morridoom too but Doom in general.
Shuma has worked sometimes for stuffing missiles and such but I don’t know if he’s the best choice. I heard Dante can work but there’s still the issue of getting in on Morrigan even when the missiles are gone
How does Dormammu do on point? I’ve messed around with him a few times and I love his ability to more or less “lol nope” a lot of what Doom can do as an assist with threats like inferno and his chaotic flame hyper, if he doesn’t work for Frank I wouldn’t mind trying him on another team.
I will not be able to do tournaments really, I’m still young at college and doing part time jobs and as I said before the competitive scene for Mahvel or any fighter in Scotland is rather small.
I’d like to be able to win but I am not the kind of person who will try to win using the absolute best of best characters in the entire game (you’ll never see me pick zero or vergil no matter how frustrated I get) but I still would like to use at least one character or two I like regardless of tier placement and make them work. Frank, Amaterasu or heavy hitters like thor/hulk/haggar because I love those kinds of characters and I already liked them from their respective games/comics. At the moment I am still floundering around jumping from character to character and unable to just get a feel for a certain team. You’ve probably seen me jumping from various character threads looking for ideas because I am still at a loss. I will find it and I am getting slightly more comfortable with individual characters (Frank being my most competent) I just need to find a team or two that works and then just do my best to learn every possible way I can do well with them and get grips with the game overall.
since your favorite characters could be Morridoom and everyone loves a character specialist in a game as chaotic as Mahvel.You can make your team work with some adjustments but if you want to run with your team then understand that it will be harder than picking a team with better options overall. Play to Learn, simply absorb all the information, I would start off with writing down three things you say in your match that went wrong and work on those things. Enjoy losing, it happens to everyone and Fighting Games are awesome because when you lose, it’s all on you.