Oh shit. This whole time I thought Capcom just put the claw throw feature to punish us for doing accidental SRK motions. Very good find, I’m gonna abuse this shit out of this.
How far/where does he throw the claw?
It seems to be random. I was dicking around with it and doing the move with jab multiple times threw it in front of Vega, way behind him, and right on top of him.
Maybe you can hold a direction during the toss…
Haha,i actually thought that someone will use it in some sort of that way in near future.
I will probably still be gready “waisting” ex-meter on that,though
Yea, it’s funny to use the EX mask throw. You get a 25% damage increase, but it’s only for your next attack. :shake:
See Viper whiff ultra, ex mask throw, ultra?
^ Ultra would go from 300 to 375 base (25pts from Gief or Akuma’s ultra). Gotta find a Viper player though, lol.
Yet again never saw a confirmation about the damage increasing thing staying after you pull the mask back right away
It says “25% increased damage for the next attack” or something, in the comments section for Vega’s frame data, in the master guide. I had someone translate it for me.
Been doing some secret Vega training. I haven’t confirmed this yet, but although st. rh serves as Vega’s kara, the part of the hitbox on that rh that is actually grab-able might move backwards during the active AND startup frames. This means that you might be able to stuff all throw attempts by simply tapping (or mashing :bgrin:) st. rh. Futher testing in the works. Stay tuned.
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Things to note:
cr. forward, cr.strong, ex walldive won’t work on some characters at ANY range:
-Ryu
-Ken
-Blanka
-Akuma
-Possibly Bison
Characters it will work on (ranges may vary):
-Gief
-Sim
-Rufus
-Abel
-Sagat
-Balrog
Characters I’ve probably succeded or failed to execute this on, and totally forgot the outcome:
-Chun
-Honda
-Guile
-Vega
-Viper
-Fuerte
I’m gonna see to this tomorrow or Saturday.
i help u here with works meaning cr. mk, cr. mp, ex walldive works
^^^ Awesome. Thank you. :tup:
… Oh. Dude, there’s a chart for this exact thing already in the Master Guide in the black and white Tactics section. I’ll show it to you some time.
I heard nothing but bad things about Vega in SFIV…
Does he really suck in this game?
After some extensive play with him, I can confidently say that he is the worst character in the game. He has too many bad matchups:
Blanka: 7-3
Balrog: 7-3
Sagat: 7-3
Bison: 7-3
The main reason why these matchups are so bad is because these characters are low risk/high reward and Vega is high risk/low reward. I’m very inclined to think, at this point, that Balrog might be a nearly impossible matchup. Aside from blocking, Vega has no answer to Balrog’s cr. jab. And the worst part about this is, cr. jab is Balrog’s most used link into setting up massive damage (especially on Vega). Even if you play flawlessly against Balrog, one random headbutt (which he can almost always afford to wiff at any point in the match) and you’re losing a shit-ton of health.
Another weak point in Vega’s game is that he loses his claw and mask. Why? Why the fuck does he lose his armor? This isn’t fucking Soul Calibur, so what the fuck? He’s not even great with the mask and claw on. Honestly, what was Capcom thinking? Was it something like:
Ono: Okay… so we nerfed a number of his normals and specials… what else… what else… Oh, I know! Let’s make it so that he can lose his claw, thus lowering the attack power and priority of all his punch options! … Hmm, but that still doesn’t seem fitting… What if… what if we also make it so that he loses his mask as well?
Designer 1: Don’t you think that’s a little harsh?
Ono: Quite the contrary, random designer guy. I think it’s a great idea to have him lose his mask, so that we may all see how handsome he is.
Designer 1: I was referring to the penalties.
Ono: Yes, there should be a penalty for revealing such handsomeness.
Designer 1: That’s not what I-
Ono: When he loses his mask, he gets the lowest vitality in the game! :woot:
Designer 1: :shake:
Also, there isn’t really a safe way to combo into his ultra, and it does shit damage. I guarantee if I met with Ono, our conversation would go like this:
Me: Hey, wtf were you thinking when you allowed Vega’s design to pass?
Ono: (looks at translator, who smiles and nods) Um… I Ono.
Me: …
Actually that was kinda thing that i always wanted to see with Vega. Mask loss = something more than a opportunity to “see his handsomness”. Make sense.
And when the game started i was pretty much afraid of him landing on a top tier list and all scrubs and whoever gonna make him overused and so on. And that is the only thing that bothers me about “tier lists/matchups”.
Yeah,i have issues,don’t be mad at me,ppl.
LMAO, I agree.
I’d also like to say vega goes 4-6 against anyone who wants to block.
You think he’s worse than Guile? I don’t think he’s worse than Guile.
I actually fought a balrog player today, omfg.
Soooooooooooo bad. Almost as bad as blanka.