There’s way more to footsies, than just whiff punishing.
And you guys still can’t beat backdashes mid-screen?
Not being able to punish far reaching low moves on reaction makes for a character with bad footsies. If St. RH or Fierce crushed low moves then I wouldn’t complain but that would also be extremely good. Dudley needs buffs to pretty much all his normals to compensate for how ass his reach is.
I use sweeps to corpse push with dashes or ducks thanks to the untechable knockdown.
I’d still rather a combo that could lead to knockdown from CH Straight and CH SSB than a techable knockdown.
Everyone on the planet knows how to OS backdashes, the problem is when people figure out that going between backdashing and FA Backdashing is a much, much safer option for them than blocking on wake-up. Dudley has no cross-up. All he has is high-low mix-ups. Now you tell me, would I rather sit and guess high-low and eat 300-400 damage for a wrong guess or try to either FA Backdash/backdash and eat 90-160 damage? The only time backdashing is completely taken away is when Dudley has Ultra.
Its better to bait and get a guaranteed punish than just throwing out a move on a guess. That’s what makes good characters good. How can you even argue this?
Umm… so you don’t get your 300 in one shot… who cares? 160 + push to the corner isn’t good enough?
There’s more to footsies than whiff punishing and guessing lol.
And yeah… OBVIOUSLY, Low Forward would be better if if were 4 frames faster. Every single move in the game would be better if it were faster.
My argument is that making Low Forward 4 frames faster, is so obviously stupid, that even Capcom wouldn’t consider it. The move needs to have it’s hitbox extended, and MAAAAAYBE a frame or so faster, but outside of that, it’s a good enough tool.
People need everything handed to them on a silver platter (by the butler), because they don’t know footsies.
LOL, corner pressure. No corner pressure without a cross-up in this game especially when Dudley’s best pressure move can be crouch teched out of (8 frame startup vs. +2 or +3 jab).
No corner pressure without a cross-up? What? Is that a serious statement?
Who said four frames? I would be happy if it was only 7 or 8 frames. And why are you trying to talk down to me like I’m not right or that I’m some kind of scrub that doesn’t know footsies? This characters mixup game is nowhere near good enough to justify how crappy his footsie game is and you think 10 frame guess sweep is good enough? Do you really know this character?
Yes and no. You probably won’t get your opponent to the corner without them having meter and if they do you will get shoryu fadc’d for sure. If the opponent has no meter, they are at your mercy. If you have a cross-up you don’t need to worry about shoryus as much.
Play a match against any character that can keep Dudley out, most of the cast, and see how much meter they build before you get them to the corner.
I dunno what to say anymore, are knock downs good or bad now? according to mr.x they are bad i’m confused
SSB>>>>makes Shoryu whiff.
If you worked all damn match to get somebody in the corner as Dudley, the last thing you wanna do is put yourself back in the corner. That can be said with any character for the most part unless you got some gimmick you wanna exploit.
not to mention crossing up just lets them out of the corner for free
4 frames faster on Low Forward is in the OP.
And you’re talking about Low Forward like it’s his only move. It’s a good tool, in conjunction with his other shit.
I agree, but that doesn’t work the same for chars with cross-ups and ways to set up ambiguous cross-ups. Watch any character that has an ambiguous cross-up setup. You think Akuma, Cammy, Dee Jay, Ken, Viper etc. care about whether they are in the corner or not?
@Renegade, If I think they’re gonna shoryu FADC on wake-up I just backdash. Why go for Backswing blow damage when I can get liverblow > st. roundhouse or crouch fierce > st.roundhouse damage for making the same read? What I was trying to say about that, is that even in the corner it’s not like you’re guaranteed to get your offense going. If you have a cross-up, you basically negate 3 very powerful options.
OK, that’s fine… but to say that you NEED a cross-up for good corner pressure… in a Street Fighter game… is ridiculous.
DP FADC is the main concern? You can’t bait those? Cross-up doesn’t just negate that, you know…
You are right, I am just a little excited. Excuse me.
Which is why I said, "That can be said with any character** unless you got some gimmick to exploit.**
Dudley doesn’t have any of that. And he has an advantage if he’s up close with his opponent’s back against the wall. And you let your opponent out of the best spot you could be in.
Try to cross up a Guile (or miss duck straight after EX MGB) in the corner as Dudley and let me know how that works out.