Ok, Enough is Enough, Money Matches Are Fucking Dumb

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I know it started on the EC, it’s migrated to the WC, and now I see it slowly, but steadily creeping through the Midwest, so enough is enough.

MONEY MATCHED ARE FUCKING RETARDED.

What hell does it prove? That you’re better than so-n-so when money is on the line? So fucking what. Is money the end all to every fucking thing? I guess for some people, it is…not to me.

What ever happened to ‘A game is a fucking game’? What happened to the excitement of playing someone you haven’t played before? What ever happened to playing the best game you can play, regardless of if there is money on the line or not?

It fucking sucks, that every time I go out of town to a tournament (EVO, ECC, FR whatever) that in order for me to get ANY FUCKING CASUALS IN, I have to challenge someone to a MM. That shit is fucking retarded.

For me it’s not about the money. I have plenty to give if I happen to lose, that’s not the point. And if I know I can actually beat whoever challenges me, in the end, I’d be totally fine without your dumb ass money. I’m satisfied just playing you.

I can’t even play most other top players in casual anymore cause they won’t play me unless I put some money on the line. So what I haven’t made a big name for myself, so what if you’ve seen the vids of Justin Wong perfecting me a billion times. I’m not asking for much. All I’m asking for, at the most, is 99 seconds of your time (give or take) to allow me the chance to show what I got. That’s all. I don’t need to go through your fucking ego trip about who is better and who has the most money. If I win, GG…If I lose, GG. THAT’S ALL I NEED, AND THAT’S ALL THAT MATTERS.

These vids of DPC challenging OG Cali people to fucking $2000-$3000 money matches, is honestly, one of the saddest displays of humanity to me. It doesn’t matter who wins, both sides lose to me…both sides have decided to put a dollar sign on their skill. That just seems stupid and useless to me.

Maybe I’m just hella drunk (and I am), but I’ve had to get this shit off my chest for a long time. I remember when casual play was just that…FUCKING CASUAL. Not, let’s put some money on the line to see who’s dick is bigger.

Bleh whatever though. People are gonna do what they want to do. But do me a favor, if you see me in person (I’m the tall mulatto dude with nappy dreads that will place top 16 in any marvel tourney), don’t bother asking me for a MM, I will silently laugh at you and politely decline.

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Hey, I remember playing you at GameLand a few years ago…or was that Orleans here in Vegas…but I just remembered you were black with dreads, but you’re pretty good, and you’re also pretty chill, too.

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Never been to Orleans or this so called Gameland, I don’t think at least. Whatever tho. Wassup.

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:“They shoulda neva gave you niggahs money”

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Money Match rt10 for 5 bucks.

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Nice.

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The D stands for dofus?

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Here’s the thing about money matches…

A lot of people probably want to play against Justin at major tournaments. So, in order to make it worth his time he can ask for money up front. This way, even if he is killing random dude who has no chance #500(in no way implying this is you, never seen you play), it is worth his time. He is not going to get better killing scrubs so he may as well make some money off of it.

At smaller events, I would agree that it would be stupid for them to reject casuals unless you put up money. Practice is practice.

Now, as far as putting huge cash up such as the DP matches…it’s because they create hype and make you get really serious. Come on now, you can’t get seriously pumped up just trashing some scrub. If anything it’s really boring because they don’t challenge you. When you face off against a GOOD player for a lot of money, the match becomes very serious. Then you have all your friends backing you, and all of your opponents friends betting money on him. It just creates a lot of hype and the matches become great to watch. Besides, if you’re confident in your side winning who WOULDN’T want free money? I mean you can be confident in your own finances and not care about money but not all of us are that way, and making more money can never hurt.

Normally, I wouldn’t watch MvC2 matches if you payed me…but with 3k on the line you can bet I’m going to watch. I don’t like MvC2 at all but with a match as hyped as cl0ck vs. DP even I was interested and watched all of them.

You can call me a sheep and whatever for liking the hype but that’s just how it is for me, I have always liked MM’s. I respect that you’re tired of needing to throw down money all the time when you just want to play the game. That’s what I play my friends for in casuals, MM for hype and serious…casuals for fun and learning.

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It’s really a tough call on whether money matches are okay or not. If you watch the SooMighty vs. Smoothviper $1000 money match, there is some exciting shit in there. Smoothviper is one hell of a blocker and crazy consistent while SooMighty is fucking rushdown master.

However, I’ve some other money matches and they are boring as hell because, apparently, turtling/runaway becomes the “highest level of play”. Seriously, I refuse to watch someone who put monetary value on their skill run the fuck away with Storm or c. fp with Sagat.

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Redbeard: OK, I can understand the hype argument…if you’re the kind of person that likes hype, then yea, exorbitant money matches are the perfect way to get it. As for me, I could give two shits. I’m interested in watching any two good players fight.

But the whole, ‘Make it worth his time’ argument seems self defeating to me, because if I go to a tournament, it’s to play. So if anyone challenges me, I’ll play them because I took the time and effort to show up. I’ve already decided it’s worth my time, because if it wasn’t, I wouldn’t be there in the first place.

Then again, most people ARE motivated by money. I myself am not (unless it’s for an amount so great that I will not ever have to work a day in my life), so I guess I’m forced to deal with it, blah.

Platinum: That’s a WHOLE nother discussion on what you would consider skill.

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hahahahahhahahahahahaha

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I’ll use JWong as an example because everybody else does, but I mean no disrespect to the other top players and all that:

Derek: The thing is, you’re not a top player. You have to try to think like one to understand what RedBeard is saying. Imagine you’re Justin, all these random players, good or not, want a crack at you. Since you know who the best guys to play for casuals are, and you have them in your stable a lot of the time Empire Arcadia, Dipset team, FFA etc you don’t need to be bothered to play against lower players. If Justin or whoever goes strictly to play against other top players, what’s the point in him playing a guy like me, unless he can make some cash off it? Not a whole hell of a lot. Because he’s Justin he has a lot more clout than you and can probably jump in line or whatever if he wants to. He also probably has other ways to play than by standing in line as well.

Think of it like paying for lessons. You’ll learn quite a bit getting your ass destroyed by a guy like that, you might find out that you do a bit better than you could’ve thought… all because you put up money to find that shit out.

Personally, I don’t play money matches or drama money matches. If somebody thinks they’re better than me, they can come at me in casuals or try to take me out of the tournament. I don’t feel the need to pay other players for these “lessons” because I think I can level up to where I feel good with local competition and hard work. Some of these players might think differently, and the friendly MM is a way to achieve that.

Another thing that is good to consider is the distance some good players travel. Gian is taking MMs at EvoWorld likely not because he hates somebody or that he wants to be some kind of elitist, he is probably taking them so that he can recoup some of his gigantic plane ticket cost. (It’s about $700-1200 to come from Japan to the US, not including room, food, tourney entry, transportation in Vegas etc)

Drama money matches imo are kind of out of hand. Personally, if I hate a player, my only true desire is to knock him out of the tournament or rape him in casuals in front of a lot of people. I don’t really need the money to feel satisfied. Ultimately though, money does get people in the crowd hype and all of that, and it does add to the pressure… I think this is more subjective than friendly mms.

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Whoops. My bad.

As far as your argument goes, I agree with you. Paying to play ain’t cool at all, but I would expect that at tournies, especially ones where people come from long distances to play (ie. Evo, MWC, Final Round, etc). Ponying up money just for a casual match is lame as hell, and it’s not like you have any sort of grudge or pissing contest with some stranger; you just want to play.

If I could regulate it, I would ban “Casual money matches” because it’s retarded. However, if there is a grudge and there is a REAL point to prove, then fine.

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You ARE black with dreads…right?
I know i’m not imagining things, lol.
Have you been to Vegas? Because I remember meeting someone who said his name on the forums was “DerekLearnSlow”

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Money on the line makes certain that no one is sandbagging and it’s also good practice for the pressures of a real tournament. Close thread.

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ahahahahahahahaha

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Grits: Good point you bring up there. How l334 players like justin, sanford, row, duc, so-n-so, really don’t need to be bothered with playing lower skilled players because they don’t get anything from it, besides maybe accidentally finding out a new way to rape someone.

I know how that feels, because, believe it or not, I have the same complex in my area. In the southern SUBURB Chicago area/NW Indiana region, I am indisputably #1 in MVC2. I have to to travel to Chicago and abroad to get any decent competition.

But the thing is, no matter the level of the person that wants to challenge me, whether they’ve heard of me through hearsay, or they don’t know anything at all about top marvel player tiers, or if they think they can beat anyone with their spiderman/guile/wolverine team, I will still play them, just because of the simple fact that they want to play, and they want to get better. Yes usually I rape them, yes they are usually dumbstruck, but more often than not (well, not as much lately), they’ll ask me, ‘How do I do that?’ or ‘How do I get as good as that?’, and that is where my enjoyment comes from. Not from taking their money and having them ‘pay for a lesson’.

(Also for the 2 people from Indiana who I know are probably reading this, Nunez/Dave, you guys don’t count. I actually consider you guys equals, for reals. If we played more often, we’d all be on the same level.)

Maybe you are right when you say it is on a different level than say Mr. Wong (god I’m tired of using him as a reference, but what can I say, that man is that good) or whoever, but I can’t honestly see myself getting to that point where i’d play less skilled, but eager to learn players ONLY for money…because at that point, it wouldn’t be fun for me.

Cowboyday: I have sandbagged plenty of times in MM’s. I know that it is not a profitable practice, but it happens.

And I’m sorry, but tournament pressure > mm pressure any day for me. Losing some money < placing low in a tournament (although one could argue that they are the same thing).

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I have been to Vegas…and I’m half black, half polish…

Oh ORLEANS the CASINO! Are you that dude I was hanging out with on the strip?? If so…dude! What the fuck is up!? I lost your number not too shortly after I got home ha. My bad bro.

I plan on going to Vegas with some friends hopefully sometime this summer. We could all meet up or something and hit some clubs n shit, fo sho.

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The only thing I would like to know,is where people get this kind of money just to throw around.

Other than that,if I had the skill,I would like to do it too(Specifically in Marvel vs Capcom 2).

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MM started on the east coast? gtfo here with that crap.

I remember MMing people in the phillipines for dodgeball on the NES, amognst other games, and when I started playing street fighter, people kept doing that. The amount has changed but I used to live on oahu quite a while ago and you would usually see the usuals betting it up. Maybe up to a hundred or 2 MAX but never thousands like you see these days. Occasionally for 5-20 most of the time.

a little betting on the side gives your more incentive to win.